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chibsquad
01-26-2010, 04:22 AM
Over the week leading up to the release of CSP Beta 1.04, a select group of prestigious eSports journalists from the world's top coverage websites, who've already received pre-release access to the game, will be publishing their unfiltered, unbiased reviews and opinions. Check CSPromod.com daily for links to the articles.

http://cspromod.com/images/media/review_banner_fragbite.jpg (http://fragbite.com/?articleID=410)
[center:3ae4dv03]http://cspromod.com/images/flags/se.gif Oscar "OggC" Johansson, Fragbite.com: "Compared to Source, it's awesome. Everything is ten times better, and it makes you wonder why Source wasn't always this way... It is even better than 1.6 in many ways."[/center:3ae4dv03]

http://cspromod.com/images/media/review_banner_rakaka.jpg (http://www.rakaka.se/index.php?news_id=12885)
[center:3ae4dv03]http://cspromod.com/images/flags/se.gif Genie, Rakaka.se: "Tremendous progress has been made since I last tried the game... The shots register where they should, the coding seems fresh, and the possibilities are endless."[/center:3ae4dv03]

http://cspromod.com/images/media/review_banner_skgaming.jpg (http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/28242-CS_Promod_Beta_104_Review)
[center:3ae4dv03]http://cspromod.com/images/flags/ca.gif Justin "PrimeTime" Loeb, SK-Gaming.com: "Huge improvements have been made from their last release... the foundation is there for this to be a really strong game that has the graphic appeal of Source."[/center:3ae4dv03]

http://cspromod.com/images/media/review_banner_cadred.jpg (http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/91075/)
[center:3ae4dv03]http://cspromod.com/images/flags/uk.gif Richard "Dr. Gonzo" Lewis, Cadred.org: "As a faithful adaptation of 1.6 the game absolutely succeeds... I came in as a sceptic, but have been won over by what is a hugely impressive feat."[/center:3ae4dv03]

http://cspromod.com/images/media/review_banner_hltv.jpg (http://www.hltv.org/news/3592-hltvorg-reviews-cspromod-104)
[center:3ae4dv03]http://cspromod.com/images/flags/pt.gif Luis "MIRA" Mira, HLTV.org: "If you take a deep look at Beta 1.04, you can see that there are huge improvements from previous releases."[/center:3ae4dv03]

http://cspromod.com/images/media/review_banner_gotfrag.jpg (http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/44800/)
[center:3ae4dv03]http://cspromod.com/images/flags/us.gif Nick "Shrew" Bee & Brett "Few" Sheffield, Gotfrag.com: "CSPromod Beta 1.04 is light years ahead of its problematic past and could very well give the 1.6 community a new lease on life."[/center:3ae4dv03]

http://cspromod.com/images/csp_news_foot_signature.png

Simon
01-26-2010, 04:33 AM
Are the weapens enable in the version 1.04? i mean after 1/31.

ExoFun
01-26-2010, 04:43 AM
When are you gonna do the Ask garfield thingie @ cadred?

PutridBeing
01-26-2010, 04:47 AM
I really think "Instant weapon switching quake style" should be switched to "HLTV style". Unless there's legal issues with that (which would be dumb).

rvT
01-26-2010, 04:56 AM
Looks great! Shame that models are not in 1.04b but hope 1.05 will come out fast after 1.04! ;D Keep it up guys!

klownsta
01-26-2010, 05:00 AM
looks awesome :D cant wait for the models as well. and for the actual game play which wasnt fully reviewed on gotfrag as would have been hard to test to the limits with the limitations of players and dedicated servers.

cant wait

dunadan
01-26-2010, 05:06 AM
Looks promising!! Too bad downsized models won't be in there, let's hope 1.05 will follow quickly. :)

tiger
01-26-2010, 05:12 AM
Looks amazing! However, why is the HE nade model the same as in CSS whereas you had found a way to make it look like 1.6 in the leak? Is it customizable?

alba
01-26-2010, 05:19 AM
No it's not and it won't be back for a little while. We still had issues with it so we decided to remove it until we could have it redone properly. Possibly with new grenade models & custom textures :)

n69ky
01-26-2010, 05:20 AM
since when do we respond to leaked-version based questions? :P

alba
01-26-2010, 05:21 AM
Just because I'm in a good mood for the time being. So there don't expect any more!!!11

tiger
01-26-2010, 05:23 AM
since when do we respond to leaked-version based questions? :P

Since alba said the HE would look like the 1.6 one in the forums and before the leak :)

@alba: alright then

n69ky
01-26-2010, 05:25 AM
@tiger: gimme link to that post!

@alba: make sure the posts dissapears before he can find it.


bawahahaha

Merdiso
01-26-2010, 05:26 AM
If you are not happy with this thing:


Player: For 1.04 the player models will look just like the CS:S models to you. The models will NOT look this way for 1.05,
USP
the CSP team is finalizing the models and animations so look forward to that in 1.05. This means that in this version of the released BETA, you will be playing with CS:S models.

The guys already told us that the models and animations are not 100% completed till now.
The only thing that I want for players is to die like in 1.6 when they got headshoted.

tiger
01-26-2010, 05:33 AM
viewtopic.php?p=17156#p17156 (http://cspromod.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=17156#p17156)


The silly "pineapple" grenade is out of the way, don't worry :P

viewtopic.php?p=17202#p17202 (http://cspromod.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=17202#p17202)


Just to clear things out, they're still source models. The only difference is that the HE grenade is swaped for the flashbang model and all 3 models are using custom textures all done via code.

In yo' face n69ky!

n69ky
01-26-2010, 05:52 AM
DAMN Y99 ALBA xD

N0vA
01-26-2010, 06:03 AM
Looks promising!! Too bad downsized models won't be in there, let's hope 1.05 will follow quickly. :)

Are you sure the models aren't downsized?

harD
01-26-2010, 06:13 AM
Now I am ****ing looking forward to 1/31

oh my god, this will be an epic beta.

We <3 CS

Fokz
01-26-2010, 08:25 AM
What about servers ?

Maybe do a release of server files already.

Okieant
01-26-2010, 08:38 AM
nice to see that the HLTV.org reviewer didn't do a thorough job reviewing the game. Shrew did a much better job tho.

first gripe he puts is the models/animations.

then the posters all say the same....god i hate retards.

looks fine to me, after the models are done, sounds would be a great thing to tackle next if possible.

still very much excited to play the game.

yuri
01-26-2010, 09:16 AM
What about servers ?

Maybe do a release of server files already.
There will be plenty of servers, dont worry ;)
Server files will came along with release. It has been said many times before...

HLTV.org reviewer has played only with bots, witch makes me a bit disappointed. He has some mistakes in it too :/

Merdiso
01-26-2010, 09:23 AM
Yes, we'll have servers, but HOW CAN WE PLAY MATCHES in CSPM if we won't have dedicated war servers or/and we don't have tutorials to make CSPM war's ?

element13
01-26-2010, 09:25 AM
Once the models and animations are in, this game will be absolutely amazing.

n69ky
01-26-2010, 09:26 AM
you know whats amazing too?

http://www.getonmyhorse.com/

derWalter
01-26-2010, 09:26 AM
OMG - THE MODELS!

Fric
01-26-2010, 09:34 AM
OMG - THE MODELS!


Man those retards on hltv.org was gettin on my nerves, Everyone said that it sucks and they haven't even tried it yet, ffs

[EA]
01-26-2010, 09:43 AM
Oh hell yeaa!

klownsta
01-26-2010, 09:46 AM
OMG - THE MODELS!


Man those retards on hltv.org was gettin on my nerves, Everyone said that it sucks and they haven't even tried it yet, ffs

1.6 die hard 25yr old prebs who cry when a game is released with graphics that are playable. Of course its gonna look fucking different on the source engine... WOWOWOWOW i still cant believe people are annoyed with the source graphics on promod just cause they are use to seeing nades look like 1 pixel bombs and terrible scenery.

IF source was amazing, no glitches and similar to 1.6 play style, every one of those idiots would love the source engine, graphics and have absolutely no complaints about what it looks like

Lordearon
01-26-2010, 10:41 AM
Loves it, great job!

I hope there's a animation progress video before the 31st to shut up all the nay sayers

FORCE them to click through the video before they can start the download to be r f honest.

fingerling123
01-26-2010, 10:49 AM
OMG - THE MODELS!


Man those retards on hltv.org was gettin on my nerves, Everyone said that it sucks and they haven't even tried it yet, ffs

That guy on hltv.org is telling the thruth. They promised the new model is 1.04 but now they won't be in and they are really a must, also the other guns aren't included especially the scout wich some people use all the time even in matches. I wouldn't mind a release the 31th but expecting a fast update after it for the models and weapons and other fixes. There just can't be easy notable bugs in it or people will leave the game very quickly. They are expecting a better or same gameplay as cs 1.6 even though it's in beta.

bryn
01-26-2010, 10:51 AM
nice job

hxcguitarist
01-26-2010, 10:51 AM
They never promised new models and animations in 1.04. They just stated that it was a possibility if time was on their side (pertaining to the animating of the already completed models), but they then announced that the possibility was out of reach.

bryn
01-26-2010, 10:54 AM
I agree, fingerling123. Shortly after this release they really should notify that the weapons and models are coming soon. Educating the community is a must. Regardless looks kickass and lots of hard work. OH ya and, Im guessing the long boost on the cat ledge wont be possible anymore to see over the long wall correct? or pop flashes in Banna of the top ledge of the wall beside the right side box facing banana entrance.

[EA]
01-26-2010, 10:58 AM
you know whats amazing too?

http://www.getonmyhorse.com/

Epic.

robin1693
01-26-2010, 11:08 AM
Should've wait untill the camviews where fixed and the models.

Would be a perfect release i guess :)

nice anyways

DonlanMK2
01-26-2010, 11:14 AM
HLTV.org- Home of monkey see, monkey do

Guigui
01-26-2010, 11:33 AM
Nice preview :)
Good job for this 1.04,
january 31 <3

pastuh
01-26-2010, 12:10 PM
Omg wtf? I need Scout. :|

perfypoo
01-26-2010, 12:22 PM
looking forward to the release!

element13
01-26-2010, 12:26 PM
WOWOWOWOW i still cant believe people are annoyed with the source graphics on promod just cause they are use to seeing nades look like 1 pixel bombs and terrible scenery.

The new grenades looks great. It's the other stuff that people dislike. Personally, I think the source player models are horrible. As for the gun models, they're okay, but I'd prefer new ones.

EDIT: Wait a minute... (from the videos they posted) it looks like they took out the grenade models that jolt made... :o

tiger
01-26-2010, 12:49 PM
EDIT: Wait a minute... (from the videos they posted) it looks like they took out the grenade models that jolt made... :o


No it's not and it won't be back for a little while. We still had issues with it so we decided to remove it until we could have it redone properly. Possibly with new grenade models & custom textures :)

alba
01-26-2010, 12:51 PM
Fyi, j0lt never made models. Only base textures.

GodD
01-26-2010, 01:03 PM
I don't understand why let someone write a testingarticle of csp, by a person who says that he wasn't impressed by the idea, before all the trouble about 1.04. ( I mean the article on HLTV.org )

That's no good journalism work. Someone who has no opponion ( like the author on GotFrag.com ) would be better.

CREDiBLE
01-26-2010, 01:41 PM
Player models - This is definitely the biggest issue at the moment. The CS:Source models are terrible and they make people not want to play the game, despite all the changes that have been made. I wonder whether Beta 1.04 should go out with these models, as the community have waited so long for updates that I am sure they would not mind waiting a bit more for a new release with something as important as this
Too true :/

CREDiBLE
01-26-2010, 01:46 PM
I don't understand why let someone write a testingarticle of csp, by a person who says that he wasn't impressed by the idea, before all the trouble about 1.04. ( I mean the article on HLTV.org )

That's no good journalism work. Someone who has no opponion ( like the author on GotFrag.com ) would be better.
Well, we'd all like to write our own reviews, wouldn't we? Not only was CREDiBLE a handsome man, he was also a funny fucker.

A person that "wasn't impressed by the idea, before all the trouble about 1.04" is by all means a representative of the huge majority of the people who have played any of the betas leading up to 1.03, so why not? I think HLTV.org's review was much more constructive than GotFrag's.

Well, GotFrag's wasn't really much of a review now, was it? Came of more like a biased fact sheet.

dubfunked
01-26-2010, 02:34 PM
I don't understand why let someone write a testingarticle of csp, by a person who says that he wasn't impressed by the idea, before all the trouble about 1.04. ( I mean the article on HLTV.org )

That's no good journalism work. Someone who has no opponion ( like the author on GotFrag.com ) would be better.
Well, we'd all like to write our own reviews, wouldn't we? Not only was CREDiBLE a handsome man, he was also a funny fucker.

A person that "wasn't impressed by the idea, before all the trouble about 1.04" is by all means a representative of the huge majority of the people who have played any of the betas leading up to 1.03, so why not? I think HLTV.org's review was much more constructive than GotFrag's.

Well, GotFrag's wasn't really much of a review now, was it? Came of more like a biased fact sheet.
Exactly, he has some good points.
And we all have to understand it's a BETA, so don't expect it to be perfect, right?

Cole
01-26-2010, 03:23 PM
I don't understand why let someone write a testingarticle of csp, by a person who says that he wasn't impressed by the idea, before all the trouble about 1.04. ( I mean the article on HLTV.org )That's EXACTLY why you'd do it.Video games get laughed at when they get high reviews from sites that are notably bias. The best way to impress people, and to turn a new fanbase is by converting those that aren't on your side.

Obviously the devs believe in their product, enough so that they'd invite those that aren't completely on board to give their own review with whatever opinions they had. It's pretty common marketing strategy.

CS Promod desires to reunite the CS community, to give an edge to the competitive scene. To do this they need not convince those players that are already on board with CSP. They need to convince those that AREN'T.

element13
01-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Not a big deal, but it's something I noticed.

Shouldn't the bomb icon be green, then turn red when you're in the bomb site?

Like a said, not a big deal, but it's different...

alba
01-26-2010, 04:00 PM
Not a big deal, but it's something I noticed.

Shouldn't the bomb icon be green, then turn red when you're in the bomb site?

Like a said, not a big deal, but it's different...

It's different now. Let me explain (and flame and whine however you want afterwards). See during playtests I got a lot of negative feedback that it was hard to know when you had the bomb and so on and so forth. So I've decided to color code elements for each team.

Now the buyzone is green, the bomb is red and the defusekit is blue. Also when you are in a plantable zone, your icon will start to flash from red (base color) to green (flash color) and after one cycle it's basically the same color as 1.6 since it flashes between green and red. It's just the base color that's swapped to make it easier to read.

There you go.

skylamer
01-26-2010, 06:25 PM
Gratz

deci
01-26-2010, 06:28 PM
is the CSP team sure that valve won't start whining about weapon models after the csp team fixed the player model issue ?
if valve really wants this project dead than they simply can start moaning on every model which would mean the death of CSP

RATpope
01-26-2010, 06:55 PM
my only hope is that 1.05 wont take as long to come out as 1.04 has so far

hxcguitarist
01-26-2010, 07:07 PM
my only hope is that 1.05 wont take as long to come out as 1.04 has so far

I hope not as well, but if it takes that long to make a better game, so be it. I'll wait happily with my 1.04 beta :)

Okieant
01-26-2010, 09:00 PM
ahhh that cadred review was a breath of fresh air. THAT is how u review a game.

Homicide
01-26-2010, 09:47 PM
I liked the cadred review the best, and was surprised to learn it was by a sourcer at the end.

downbad
01-26-2010, 10:41 PM
http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/91075/Page/1/

yep, best one so far.

Adron
01-27-2010, 12:01 AM
and was surprised to learn it was by a sourcer at the end.

but he wasn't a sourcer, he just exampled himself as if he was:


..if I was a competitive Source player right now I’d not hesitate to make the switch over.

derWalter
01-27-2010, 12:43 AM
Player models - This is definitely the biggest issue at the moment. The CS:Source models are terrible and they make people not want to play the game, despite all the changes that have been made. I wonder whether Beta 1.04 should go out with these models, as the community have waited so long for updates that I am sure they would not mind waiting a bit more for a new release with something as important as this
Too true :/
we all told em, but you know, money rules this place... so...

phreaK
01-27-2010, 02:12 AM
and was surprised to learn it was by a sourcer at the end.

but he wasn't a sourcer, he just exampled himself as if he was:


..if I was a competitive Source player right now I’d not hesitate to make the switch over.


Im pretty sure Dr. Gonzo was a source player, and even if he wasnt, hes still a huge supporter of the game unlike nearly every other Major Esports Website and Cadred is the biggest CSS Coverage site in the world from what I know. And a significant majority of the members and all the writers and admins are what you may call "open minded" and widely accept 1.6 unlike GotFrag and HLTV.org who think 1.6 is the only good FPS out there.

puddin1
01-27-2010, 03:37 AM
It is everything Source should have been – a graphical improvement of the greatest FPS created and it really is a triumph in that respect, especially if you recall the hideous 1.03 version.



My favorite line.

ovi
01-27-2010, 05:47 AM
ahhh that cadred review was a breath of fresh air. THAT is how u review a game.

very true! seems he put more effort into trying out stuff and comparing 1.6 and csp than hltv.org and gotfrag reviewers.

pastuh
01-27-2010, 06:23 AM
Finally one person wrote good review!
GJ Dr. Gonzo

tmaven
01-27-2010, 07:28 AM
cadred review 10/10
all others are shit.. Gotfrag&HLTV: "i tried source twice in my life.. there is review based on that engine" < Proffesional game reviewer.. Its something like.. I tried QUAKElive twice on public, and its shit.. ut 4ever

get a fucking clue about game reviews

disPlay
01-27-2010, 11:56 AM
Nice feedbacks

SirK
01-27-2010, 12:03 PM
cadred review 10/10
all others are shit.. Gotfrag&HLTV: "i tried source twice in my life.. there is review based on that engine" < Proffesional game reviewer.. Its something like.. I tried QUAKElive twice on public, and its shit.. ut 4ever

get a fucking clue about game reviews

word, i thought the same.

DrGonzo
01-27-2010, 03:21 PM
Hey guys,

Just thought I'd take the time to thank you for the feedback on the review, although it must be said, the fact that you can receive praise for simply being impartial is a pretty rotten indictment of the whole business. The fact is that the least I could do was approach it with an open mind, especially after all the hard work people have put into it.

As for my background I did play 1.6 but not in any serious sense and my favourite version always was Condition Zero. But being in chronic minority, I was part of the contingent that made a beeline for Source and I've championed it ever since. Sadly, those that did got sold down the river by Valve and here we are 5 years later wondering just what we wasted our time on.

The Source experiment made your job a lot harder because die-hard 1.6ers now will never believe that any other version of the game can be good, that replicating their game is impossible, but it's flawed thinking. Sadly logic and reason are a rare commodity on the internet. I mean, when 1.5 was updated to 1.6 there was uproar. Now that version of the game has been around so long the bugs and flaws in it are considered attributes and people are unwilling to even adapt that 1% to try and secure a better future for the game they supposedly love.

I say that as someone who watches a lot of 1.6, follows the scene and thinks it is one of the premier e-sport titles. I just don't understand when concepts such as "change" "progress" and "evolution" became something to resist.

Anyway, best of luck to the project. The dedication people have shown to what seemed a lost cause is admirable and the efforts of everyone who has supported it deserve some sort of pay-off.

Homicide
01-27-2010, 03:46 PM
Well said Doctor,
CSP or bust!... for me anyways. 1.6 is dead to me.
Personally I am tired of CS 1.6's 12 year old netcode :P

perfypoo
01-27-2010, 03:52 PM
LONG LIVE PROMOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

element13
01-27-2010, 03:54 PM
Well said Doctor,
CSP or bust!... for me anyways. 1.6 is dead to me.
Personally I am tired of CS 1.6's 12 year old netcode :P

That is EXACTLY how I feel.

CSP is my final chapter in gaming. If it's a hit, I stay. If not, I'm done with competitive gaming.

I REALLY do hope the netcode/registry is much better in CSP.
1.6 registry is such crap sometimes...

gregggggg
01-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Well said Doctor,
CSP or bust!... for me anyways. 1.6 is dead to me.
Personally I am tired of CS 1.6's 12 year old netcode :P

That is EXACTLY how I feel.

CSP is my final chapter in gaming. If it's a hit, I stay. If not, I'm done with competitive gaming.

I REALLY do hope the netcode/registry is much better in CSP.
1.6 registry is such crap sometimes...

i think its like this for almost everyone. or atleast everyone around me has been saying the same thing. both games are definitely declining and CSP must keep going, because tbh, its quite literally the last leg for competitive gaming.

yogurt
01-27-2010, 04:43 PM
and was surprised to learn it was by a sourcer at the end.

but he wasn't a sourcer, he just exampled himself as if he was:


..if I was a competitive Source player right now I’d not hesitate to make the switch over.

AFAIK Dr.Gonzo is most influential guy in welsh source community

trech
01-27-2010, 06:37 PM
just more few days =)

smartin
01-27-2010, 07:05 PM
Keep supporting CSP until it's v1.0 and my kudos goes to you.

Schypher
01-27-2010, 07:09 PM
Saturday at 23:59 i will be here pressing non stop F5

RATpope
01-27-2010, 07:31 PM
Saturday at 23:59 i will be here pressing non stop F5

lol prolly gonna come out by after noon dood

bezao
01-27-2010, 07:36 PM
this is correct ? http://www.cadred.org/Images/Articles/C ... llspam.jpg (http://www.cadred.org/Images/Articles/CSPromodWallspam.jpg)
when you kill an enemy cs1.6 gives + 300$
csp shows + 240$

or i'm kind of blind?

mang
01-27-2010, 07:39 PM
Maybe he already had $15760 so the full $300 couldn't be added?

smartin
01-27-2010, 07:47 PM
mang gets a cookie

bezao
01-27-2010, 07:50 PM
Maybe he already had $15760 so the full $300 couldn't be added?

maybe yes, sorry.. i have bad eyes

Schypher
01-27-2010, 07:59 PM
Saturday at 23:59 i will be here pressing non stop F5

lol prolly gonna come out by after noon dood
No problem i have all day free :D

derWalter
01-28-2010, 04:43 AM
*time test*

edited at 10:44

MaveN
01-28-2010, 09:49 AM
it is 15:49 now

n69ky
01-28-2010, 09:50 AM
its 72:18

NortproN
01-28-2010, 12:13 PM
this is the first time i've reacted like this even though i have been reading it all the time, just never thought of it.

who the hell sais cs1.6 is dying? statistics ? that people feel the compeditive scene can never ever be as good as in say 2005 ? what ? of course Finland and Americas scene are different but were right next to the swedes who pretty much control cs and i haven't noticed any difference but increase of players

or is it just to make everyone mentally think of csp as what will save the day

edit: remember that a good amount of people have felt the game has been dying even before the final beta was released, and even at 2003-2005 people were going "yup it's dead steam ruined it all"

don't misunderstand me

derWalter
01-28-2010, 01:13 PM
readmore.de ? YOU LIAR!!!1

alba
01-28-2010, 01:25 PM
Readmore is in progress... Grow up.

element13
01-28-2010, 01:47 PM
CS 1.6 IS dying.
In my opinion, it's already pretty dead. (How do I know this? Statistics.)
I say that as a North American player.

Over here in North America, CAL played a huge role in competitive CS. Once CAL died, CS lost quite a lot of players. There's still esea and cevo, but there aren't any "good" free leagues anymore. (Excluding Cevo-Free which you get nothing for winning)

It sucks now... mirc isn't like it used to be, it's hard to get scrims now and when you do get scrims, 1/4 of the times they include a cheater. Back then, there would easily be at least over 800 people in #findringer, findscrim, etc. channels.
NOW, there's an average of about (250-350) in these channels. It used to be almost impossible to ring for a team because there was so much spam from other people looking to ring. NOT ANYMORE.

Most of the people who still play 1.6 are players who are veterans. Eventually, they will get older and simply stop playing.
CSPromod is, in my opinion, the last chance to bring back CS.

gregggggg
01-28-2010, 01:59 PM
dont care dont care dont care

mater
01-28-2010, 04:28 PM
coming soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon :)

trech
01-28-2010, 04:56 PM
i installed CS:Shit today..just waiting for release now

Argon
01-28-2010, 06:13 PM
i installed CS:Shit today..just waiting for release now

Go play it.

Okieant
01-28-2010, 06:25 PM
CS 1.6 IS dying.
In my opinion, it's already pretty dead. (How do I know this? Statistics.)
I say that as a North American player.

Over here in North America, CAL played a huge role in competitive CS. Once CAL died, CS lost quite a lot of players. There's still esea and cevo, but there aren't any "good" free leagues anymore. (Excluding Cevo-Free which you get nothing for winning)

It sucks now... mirc isn't like it used to be, it's hard to get scrims now and when you do get scrims, 1/4 of the times they include a cheater. Back then, there would easily be at least over 800 people in #findringer, findscrim, etc. channels.
NOW, there's an average of about (250-350) in these channels. It used to be almost impossible to ring for a team because there was so much spam from other people looking to ring. NOT ANYMORE.

Most of the people who still play 1.6 are players who are veterans. Eventually, they will get older and simply stop playing.
CSPromod is, in my opinion, the last chance to bring back CS.

everyone's on ESEA now. Torbull is funneling the community with the false sense of security that its client brings. It'd be nice if he used that money and resources for a LAN league all together instead of just holding the finals on LAN.

hxcguitarist
01-28-2010, 08:26 PM
Okieant, I agree with you that ESEA should create a LAN League all together, but ESEA does need to change. I think the client should be tweaked so that winning rounds, creating strats, etc. should be more of a focus during pug play. The League play though is great.

expunge
01-28-2010, 09:51 PM
I have tried to do some research from different communities around the globe. I have concluded that Counter-Strike 1.6 is VERY STRONG(surprise surprise). They have always set the standard for players, teams, organisations and events - because of this I do not feel that they will be inclined to make the switch even though in the long run the game will be more beneficial for the 'long jeopardy' of the legacy that is Counter-Strike.

America(North & South) were split by the CGS. It made most of the players and teams swap to Source because that is where the competition was. The 1.6 communities were left behind and did not grow because there was too much interest in Source. Now the good players and teams are keen on 1.6 again but the community is still fragmented by the two. As for Australia and Asia - There isn't much in reach for either game. So what ever local LAN and Online events that pop up determine the popularity of the game. The Australian CS:S community is massive and continuously growing. This adds to a big problem - CS:S players actually play the game for its terrible game-play and random luck in situations. Most will find it TOO hard.

So we have 1.6 players who don't want to change because they already have the game on the HL1 engine and the Source community who like their terrible game wont want to change because well.. they picked source in the first place.

I do think CSP could hugely benefit the communities but we have too many purists..

hxcguitarist
01-28-2010, 10:41 PM
I do think CSP could hugely benefit the communities but we have too many purists..

Then those purists will realize soon enough how strong of a game CSP is.

axinz
01-28-2010, 11:26 PM
To all those people who say that this BETA shouldn't be released because it is unfinished (source models etc.) ask yourself. What exactly is the definition of a BETA release. The whole point is to use an early unfinished version of the game so that
a) the community can have a taste of the game before it is finished, which may be years away, and most importantly
b) To use a wide range of players to pinpoint niggling bugs and to get the community's opinion on the project. I think CSP will be great, source models or not. Even as a die hard source player, i'm willing to sacrifice a bit of time and effort to kick source habits and get good at CSP because I can see that SHOULD be the future of competitive cs.

Thanks to all the csp team for all the hard work.

element13
01-28-2010, 11:56 PM
To all those people who say that this BETA shouldn't be released because it is unfinished (source models etc.) ask yourself. What exactly is the definition of a BETA release. The whole point is to use an early unfinished version of the game so that
a) the community can have a taste of the game before it is finished, which may be years away, and most importantly
b) To use a wide range of players to pinpoint niggling bugs and to get the community's opinion on the project. I think CSP will be great, source models or not. Even as a die hard source player, i'm willing to sacrifice a bit of time and effort to kick source habits and get good at CSP because I can see that SHOULD be the future of competitive cs.

Thanks to all the csp team for all the hard work.


If these forums allowed me to give you a thumbs up, I would. :)

Mith
01-29-2010, 12:02 AM
To all those people who say that this BETA shouldn't be released because it is unfinished (source models etc.) ask yourself. What exactly is the definition of a BETA release. The whole point is to use an early unfinished version of the game so that
a) the community can have a taste of the game before it is finished, which may be years away, and most importantly
b) To use a wide range of players to pinpoint niggling bugs and to get the community's opinion on the project. I think CSP will be great, source models or not. Even as a die hard source player, i'm willing to sacrifice a bit of time and effort to kick source habits and get good at CSP because I can see that SHOULD be the future of competitive cs.

Thanks to all the csp team for all the hard work.

Nice way to start posting :).

axinz
01-29-2010, 01:43 AM
Thanks. I couldn't just sit and read all these people bitching about the release when theres been so much work put into it to get it to this standard (once again thanks goes to the team) They've fixed so many problems and the 1.6 fans latch on to the only strand of evidence that the game might be different to 1.6 and wont let it go. Just play it and enjoy it. I will :)

fa1
01-29-2010, 08:27 AM
I play 1.6 for 6 years now, and I love it like it is! And I will certainly stay on it for a long time...
But I was and I will always be a defender of CSP! I love this project, and how it's made and who made it!

bryn
01-29-2010, 01:55 PM
thatta boy axinz

SNAJPER
05-29-2010, 04:26 AM
those links dont work,it just opens a picture when i click it