CSP Train Update [February 20]

[cashed]

Well I started revamping train about a week ago and have made some progress. Since I made inferno like CSS as far as asset wise i decided to do the same with train. Nuke i think will be different as I have an idea for that but css train visually was good, but was executed wrong. here's some pics of the progress for you diehards.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2emfrpz.jpg (http://www.emmediagroup.com/csp/pics/train/csp_train_b20000.jpg) http://i41.tinypic.com/muwg7c.jpg (http://www.emmediagroup.com/csp/pics/train/csp_train_b20001.jpg) http://i43.tinypic.com/33c91mp.jpg (http://www.emmediagroup.com/csp/pics/train/csp_train_b20002.jpg) http://i44.tinypic.com/2h3csra.jpg (http://www.emmediagroup.com/csp/pics/train/csp_train_b20003.jpg)

[nitr0us]

Haha, screenshots 3 and 4 link to screenshot 2. Good work, looks real nice. Yet again, using Source's assets in a cool way :]

[cashed]

fixed thanks

[rvT]

quite nice :)

[esk]

Nice work thus far. ;)

[dunadan]

Looks perfect for me, great job cashed. :)

[j0lt]

Looks fantastic!

[Improved]

Nice work cashed, as always! Would love to see the inside bombsite as well as the rest of the map.

I'm a diehard? OFC!

Great work mate!

;)

[Redstar]

Looks nice :) I really like those new wall textures! keep it up!

[Ebola]

Looks great man keep up the good work :D Hope the 1.04 beta will be out soon can't wait :D

[chuck64]

Looks sick ted can't wait to give it a test =P

[burt]

looks fantastic! "1.04" (:

[Improved]

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Small suggestion cashed...

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/Clipboard03.jpg

Right click > Show image

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/-arch_example.jpg

[cashed]

ya i was gonna do this as css does it. i just have to make a new model due to css being a bit different in arch height

[Improved]

ya i was gonna do this as css does it. i just have to make a new model due to css being a bit different in arch height

Explendid!

I'm happy now :lol:

[tracetheace]

I'm diggin the lighting in the tunnels of 4,5 and 6. I always thought it was rather dark in there.
I can't wait to see what you do with the inside site, although I feel that it should be a little darker, kinda like a storage area.

Keep up the great work.

[j0lt]

ya i was gonna do this as css does it. i just have to make a new model due to css being a bit different in arch height

Awesome, this map is going to be amazing.

[xtobix]

yeah (: the map looks great.
but maybe the red wagon in the middle could need a some more intense colour.

[yuri]

It looks great as an initial build. Personally I realy love your brighter tunnels /4,5,6/.

[KaNaR]

I'm not as happy as most of you are. These screenshots show only some brushes without details.
I don't even think it's better than the current csp_train. The red rooftops are terrible :shock:

Anyway it's good to have some media ;)

[eLusive]

I'm not as happy as most of you are. These screenshots show only some brushes without details.
I don't even think it's better than the current csp_train. The red rooftops are terrible :shock:

Anyway it's good to have some media ;)

lol anymore details and its like source

[drice27]

I'm not as happy as most of you are. These screenshots show only some brushes without details.
I don't even think it's better than the current csp_train. The red rooftops are terrible :shock:

Anyway it's good to have some media ;)

lol anymore details and its like source
kay thats a lie from you eLusive, i think it needs more details aswell but not to many so you can keep it old school.

[Improved]

I'm not as happy as most of you are. These screenshots show only some brushes without details.
I don't even think it's better than the current csp_train. The red rooftops are terrible :shock:

Anyway it's good to have some media ;)

Stop talking out of your ass, a map doesnt need to be filled with eyecandy to be a good one. Clearly u dont know what your yapping your whiny mouth about.

What do u want? It to look like CS:S de_train? Where u get distracted of all the eye candy or an "easy on the eye, well visualy approached, aim for great competition" map?

OR A FAKKING CS:S MAP ALÁ DE_INFERNO?!?!?!

:evil: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

[Absurd]

I'm not as happy as most of you are. These screenshots show only some brushes without details.
I don't even think it's better than the current csp_train. The red rooftops are terrible :shock:

Anyway it's good to have some media ;)

Stop talking out of your ass, a map doesnt need to be filled with eyecandy to be a good one. Clearly u dont know what your yapping your whiny mouth about.

What do u want? It to look like CS:S de_train? Where u get distracted of all the eye candy or an "easy on the eye, well visualy approached, aim for great competition" map?

OR A FAKKING CS:S MAP ALÁ DE_INFERNO?!?!?!

:evil: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

You, Sir, Overreacted.

[Improved]

I'm not as happy as most of you are. These screenshots show only some brushes without details.
I don't even think it's better than the current csp_train. The red rooftops are terrible :shock:

Anyway it's good to have some media ;)

Stop talking out of your ass, a map doesnt need to be filled with eyecandy to be a good one. Clearly u dont know what your yapping your whiny mouth about.

What do u want? It to look like CS:S de_train? Where u get distracted of all the eye candy or an "easy on the eye, well visualy approached, aim for great competition" map?

OR A FAKKING CS:S MAP ALÁ DE_INFERNO?!?!?!

:evil: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

You, Sir, Overreacted.

I knowzorz, I'm just fed up with the constant whine, thats all.

[j0lt]

You, Sir, Overreacted.
Maybe, but he's right.

Cashed's maps are beautiful because they are simple, clean, elegant and play well. And I'm sure he'll add more detail to non-gameplay area just like he did with 'ferno ;)

[Improved]

Maybe, but he's right.

Cashed's maps are beautiful because they are simple, clean, elegant and play well. And I'm sure he'll add more detail to non-gameplay area just like he did with 'ferno ;)

My point exactly.

[mang]

Cashed's maps are beautiful because they are simple, clean, elegant and play well. And I'm sure he'll add more detail to non-gameplay area just like he did with 'ferno ;)Not only are they clean and elegant from a gameplay perspective, I think I'm not alone in saying they genuinely look nice, and not just because I'm used to the oldschool efficiency of CS 1.6 maps. Simply put, realism is not synonymous with eye candy. Looking at some of the screenshots in that GotFrag gallery (particularly Train and outside on Nuke), I really see a vibrance that puts TF2's best environments to shame.

I haven't played a lot of CS:S, so I don't know how much of the credit should go to cashed and how much of it belongs to the textures he already had to work with from the Source maps, but seeing all of those screenshots together for the first time has boosted my confidence in the artistic direction of this project.

[KaNaR]

If you want maps without details, then you don't need to play CSP.


CSProMod aims to incorporate the best of CS 1.6 and CS:Source in one, feature-packed version. With 1.6-style gameplay and Source graphics, we hope and strive to re-unite the CS community.Source graphics ! That means it should be as nice as CSS, and as playable as CS 1.6... Detailed maps can be playable...

[smartin]

Hej Improved. Vad händer?

[kro]

Where u get distracted of all the eye candy

Unless your a complete moron that can't get focused on anything because there something else in your sight details has no effect on the aiming, or at least the 2 first times you play the map ... Stupidest point I ever seen.

[cashed]

The whole competitive maps should be bare is kinda close minded. I was kinda like that before as well until i thought about it for 1 minute. Really, does detail take away from what you are doing? no, but it further brings you into immersion. As long as these things don't trouble you too much with movement it generally is a positive thing. The CSP layout are nearly identical to CS1.6, they are slightly different in areas that are non confrontational in a match that lift the spirit of the environment. I'm trying to push the community little by little to a respectable source quality map. its taken a few revision of the maps but i think ppl are accepting them now. If you can adapt to a new 1.6 map what difference is it to a well known 1 that has visual upgrades?

[Redstar]

they are slightly different in areas that are non confrontational in a match that lift the spirit of the environment. I'm trying to push the community little by little to a respectable source quality map. its taken a few revision of the maps but i think ppl are accepting them now. If you can adapt to a new 1.6 map what difference is it to a well known 1 that has visual upgrades?

I just can't agree more. Besides I want to add that's it's almost impossible to make a map look good if you decide to keep it exactly just like it is in 1.6 For example, when you posted the first screenshots of your new inferno, some people said, "yeah it looks really good but this wall wasn't exactly like that in 1.6"
That really doesn't change anything to the gameplay.

[smartin]

hey red, how about making a map in the same style as mirrors edge? really modern and stylish. I think it could be really neat.

[Improved]

Hej Improved. Vad händer?

Tjenixen smartin, händer inte mycket. Är du också en leveldesigner? Vill du skriva av dig lite så tveka inte! Skicka ett pm mannen!

;)

[Improved]

The whole competitive maps should be bare is kinda close minded. I was kinda like that before as well until i thought about it for 1 minute. Really, does detail take away from what you are doing? no, but it further brings you into immersion. As long as these things don't trouble you too much with movement it generally is a positive thing. The CSP layout are nearly identical to CS1.6, they are slightly different in areas that are non confrontational in a match that lift the spirit of the environment. I'm trying to push the community little by little to a respectable source quality map. its taken a few revision of the maps but i think ppl are accepting them now. If you can adapt to a new 1.6 map what difference is it to a well known 1 that has visual upgrades?

As long as the layout remains the same then I'm all for it! It is when mappers start to add clusters o details on maps, for ex, burning cars in the middle the road @ long @ dust2. Or other stupid stuff like the fountain in CS:S inferno.

As long as the layout is kept clean and eye candy is only added to non gameplay areas (with moderation), then like I wrote, I'm all for it.

Another thing, the small pilars added on the short wall on csp_inferno @ banana, that for me isnt necessary at all. That building @ banana is just one big house, instead I'd add some nice looking (regular) windows on that short wall.

[cashed]

ya that ruined css bananas imo

[eLusive]

have u guys put 1.6 grenade physics in it? cs will never be the same again if there arent the same nades and flashes from 1.6

[Redstar]

hey red, how about making a map in the same style as mirrors edge? really modern and stylish. I think it could be really neat.

Well yeah, definitely, I love that kind of maps and I plan to make the inside of csp_office that way, with modern and stylish textures and lighting. And yeah, maybe in the future I could make a new original modern map :)

[BuRner]

I don't know if it has already be said but B side and A side are inverted on the green panel above the bomb point... We can read "Trainyard B" but it's Trainyard A ;p

[smartin]

No, that's B.

A = the main bomb site closest to CT spawn right?

[yuri]

A = the main bomb site closest to CT spawn right?
A == the dark site which is close to CT spawn
B == located in the tunnel

imho this should be switched, B should be "the closed/small one" and A the opposite

[Ebola]

hey red, how about making a map in the same style as mirrors edge? really modern and stylish. I think it could be really neat.

Well yeah, definitely, I love that kind of maps and I plan to make the inside of csp_office that way, with modern and stylish textures and lighting. And yeah, maybe in the future I could make a new original modern map :)


Sounds awesome dude :D

[Improved]

hey red, how about making a map in the same style as mirrors edge? really modern and stylish. I think it could be really neat.

Well yeah, definitely, I love that kind of maps and I plan to make the inside of csp_office that way, with modern and stylish textures and lighting. And yeah, maybe in the future I could make a new original modern map :)

Cant u take the textures from Mirrors edge and use them? Cause those textures are seeeeexxxxyyyyyyy!

[smartin]

or remake them side by side to avoid legal issues!

[BuRner]

There is something illogical :
http://burner.neonweb.be/screen/trainyardA.jpg
http://burner.neonweb.be/screen/trainyardB.jpg
http://burner.neonweb.be/screen/trainexter.jpg

[cashed]

nothing is set in stone

[PestY]

cashed, have you been working on the box at middle/Z-hall?

There was a topic about it but i can't find it anymore..

[cryeR]

pretty pretty n1 :D

[paradox]

really looking forward to 1.04 :D - will this make the release (even if its an unfinished version)?

[TempesT]

really looking forward to 1.04 :D - will this make the release (even if its an unfinished version)?

Why would they want to put an unfinished version in the beta 1.04 release?

[Improved]

really looking forward to 1.04 :D - will this make the release (even if its an unfinished version)?

Why would they want to put an unfinished version in the beta 1.04 release?

/sarcasm?

If not...

Because the project is still in beta? And unfinished projects needs feedback/criticism?

Better to release several versions with the final being the perfect one, than releasing 1 final and going back to correct stuff several times. People work from the bottom up, not the other way around.

A hasty map is a fools death wish.

[diadem]

Better to release several versions with the final being the perfect one, than releasing 1 final and going back to correct stuff several times. People work from the bottom up, not the other way around.

A hasty map is a fools death wish.

Couldn't agree more... Id rather test the stuff constantly and fix bugs rather than having to update within a day of release (FM09 etc)

[cashed]

i test with the beta testers so really its not like its released without testing

[saidypoo]

Outer bomb site is A inner bombsite is B that is all.

[diadem]

Outer bomb site is A inner bombsite is B that is all.


lost me there lol!

[saidypoo]

The name of the bombsite that is NOT located inside a building is the "A" bombsite. The bombsite that is all dark n crap because its INSIDE is bombsite "B". THAT IS ALL GOOD DAY SIR

[Spritz]

They are both outside lol :lol:.

http://aan-clan.rkappner.de/lan%2028.12.2001/images/de_train.jpg

http://www.exe-net-gaming.net/mapeimg/de_train.jpg

[yuri]

ffs it doesnt matter if the inner is A or B...

[smartin]

yuri, of course it doesn't, but then why change them? that'll only confuse already established players.

[diadem]

if your being that picky... in the css version the bombsites where outside too.. granted there was a roof over 1 but part of it was still outside ;)

[KaNaR]

In french we talk about inner or outer bombsite, no matter what is A or B ;)

[Redstar]

Indeed we do

[dk3]

Portuguese -> inner outer :)

[smartin]

Swedish: A/B, B1/B2, or "the little" / "the big" (directly translated)

[s3m1h]

why are the doors of 5 and 6 closed? oO
again a gamplaychange???????
omg!

[j0lt]

why are the doors of 5 and 6 closed? oO
again a gamplaychange???????
omg!

I hope that was sarcasm :)

[KaNaR]

I hope cashed will add some new exploits to the map, just like in CS (and in CSS), this is what makes every round unique :)

[BuRner]

Lol, nobody understood what I said there : viewtopic.php?f=2&t=307&start=40#p4907 (http://www.cspromod.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=307&start=40#p4907) xD

The first screen show the direction to go to the A side. But in fact we arrived on the B side like showed in the 3rd screen ! So there is something contradictory...

I know you can modify it, so fix it ;)

[unizo]

I hope cashed will add some new exploits to the map

If it's intentional then it isn't an exploit. >.<

[KaNaR]

I hope cashed will add some new exploits to the map

If it's intentional then it isn't an exploit. >.<I meant places where you can go only with a teammate, or with special jumps ;)

[CH4MP]

This map looks awesome. Brought back the goodies from 1.6

[adz]

Looking good m8, nice screen shots.

[DFEssence]

Pretty textures, good work.

[Spritz]

n1 bump 8-)

[NortproN]

O_o

[Dave]

cashed you need to change the lighting. right now it looks like the overcast source lighting (env maps included). the white blricks also create a more overcast feel. it would be awesome if it was sunny like 1.6.

nevertheless, you are a fantastic map maker. great job! :D

train looks awesome! like all the maps in next beta versions ;X

[downbad]

i think the lighting looks good.

[adz]

Looks good, still has that truck @ t spawn?

[shibble]

Damn the map looks great :O!

[sevoii]

great is an under statement

[bryn]

lol!!! Aesome job on the videos guys, You made me laugh too,

Does anyone think that the music kinda sounded N64 Perfect Dark, 007 days

Great Job

[simen121]

cashed you need to change the lighting. right now it looks like the overcast source lighting (env maps included). the white blricks also create a more overcast feel. it would be awesome if it was sunny like 1.6.

nevertheless, you are a fantastic map maker. great job! :D

Agree, the map would be much better with the lights set like 1.6. It would give me the 1.6 feeling back instead of the cold boring white map :)

As you see the 1.6 one is much brighter :)
http://map-screens.hit.bg/de/de_train.jpg
http://cspromod.com/images/media/screenshots/csp_train_006.jpg

[SirK]

the light in 1.6 sucks xD
its just older and a little more yellow.
goldsource engine isnt as good as the source engine is with handling lights. thats why it will never look like 1.6 ^^

[lordxray]

In french we talk about inner or outer bombsite, no matter what is A or B ;)

we just say "between tities" for the inner and "were fucked" for the outer one :D