Interesting Thread

[dANNNYY]

take a look at this
*LINK REMOVED*
So,devs,what are you going to do?
Any thoughts on who did it ?
I personally didn't downloaded it yet,maybe i will tomorrow,i don't know really.

[Lordearon]

so apparently it leaked.. sad for the devs tbh, but it's not an official release so... no worries.

but it seems the devs really need fresh feedback, a new series of beta testers or something?

[dANNNYY]

Those Aussie's gave nice feedback tbh :D

[mizzack]

Oh no! Negativity about an old, leaked, unpolished, non-official version!

[Lordearon]

you guys should ack. the leak and make a statement 'bout it! Hey, how about a gameplay vid to prove the leak is old!

just sayin'

[Lordearon]

Quote from Muggie:

Well according to the NZ forums (its only been posted on NZ forums/CG/GG from what i can find in google) It was leaked by Biohazard who had a falling out with the development team.

I have an image but will not post (has link in it).

it this true?

[Lordearon]

Its excellent, i havent played a scrim with it, a few of the GG boys had a 5v5, but ive only jumped around and shot some bots/couple random people in my own server, not actually played, just testing.

The 1.6 wallbangs are back (yay) as is the classic scope and the awp delay.
HUD is awsome, its completely different to anything else, but it it is really easy to quickly glance at stuff, the bomb plant/defuse is numbers, not just a line, so you know how close you are. The hud scales with res, just like source.
Crosshair is really nice, it expands and retracts really quickly, ala 1.6. I use 1024x768, crosshair_size 5 and cl_crosshairscale 0. Make long lines with a tiny dot, and seems to be similar to 640x480 large.

CSS autoexecs dont work, but just paste your normal binds/buy binds into the autoexec, without the gfx cmds and it will be fine. I get almost 100fps on all the maps, even d2, when i normally get 40-60.

There is no trash/random crap laying around, make the maps very clean, and people stick out very well, no random corners to hide in or barrels to glitch behind.

My favourite part is the sparks/bullet holes on the walls. It actually stands out more than 1.6 and makes controlling recoil/spray really easy. The guns have spray patterns, and arent as random as css.

[hsf]

Conspiracy, conspiracy. Leaked version wasn't that bad, I thought it was a definite improvement on 1.03 and other previous versions.

[Lordearon]

I just read conspiracy 3 times and had a Steve Balmer in my head

developers, developers, developers, developers

developers, ... developers, developers developers

[Lordearon]

6:26 < svglol> too bad there isnt working dedicated servers
16:28 < snyper> crosshairs a bit ****ed but
16:28 < snyper> amirite
16:28 < svglol> was alright for me
16:28 < svglol> takes a bit of getting used to
16:28 <@alba|work> why would you ever think you'd get dedicated severs?
16:28 <@alba|work> the game isn't released so yeah
16:29 < svglol> was just saying :>
16:29 < svglol> they work
16:29 <@alba|work> and that corsshairs thingy
16:29 < svglol> but crash
16:29 <@alba|work> is old
16:29 < svglol> oh sweet
16:29 <@alba|work> RC4 is way better.
16:29 -!- uppercut`ericksAn[otaku] [~Magix110@Hikikomori.user.gamesurge] has quit [Ping timeout]
16:29 -!- j0lt [~joelan@ppp118-209-140-94.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit]
16:30 < svglol> it plays pretty well right now
16:30 < svglol> nades are like shotputs tho
16:30 < deniedby|chuck64`afk> they are better in rc4
16:31 < svglol> good to know
16:32 < svglol> other than that, and the game crashing when u pull out a nade sometimes
16:32 < svglol> its good
16:32 < svglol> and some gun recoil refinemint
16:32 < deniedby|chuck64`afk> thats fixed lol
16:32 < svglol> mea
16:32 < svglol> n
16:32 < svglol> cant wait now
16:32 <@alba|work> that's fixed too
16:32 <@alba|work> but its pointless to talk about all that
16:32 <@alba|work> since it's an old build
16:33 < svglol> yea true
16:33 < deniedby|chuck64`afk> the tard leaked a pretty much 2 month old version
16:33 < svglol> 0_o
16:33 <@alba|work> best part is claiming it was "the latest given to beta testarz"
16:33 < svglol> how bought the crouch jump forward, giving u more speed?
16:33 <@alba|work> anyway, work to dewwwwww
16:33 < svglol> all gd

>> 16:33 <@alba|work> best part is claiming it was "the latest given to beta testarz"
Who claimed that where? god I need to get back on IRC
*edit* apparently "Biohazard" on his cadred post. He just made himself very hated by the community tbh...


12:20 <Lordearon|meh> anyway, I kinda like the surge in gameplay vids
12:20 <ScreaM`> he's not a beta tester
12:20 <ScreaM`> so only a select few actually have the REAL ones
12:20 <Lordearon|meh> gud!
12:21 <Lordearon|meh> I bet RC4 has the latest recoil tweaks they did with Spunge
12:21 <ScreaM`> the leaked version is sick though

[paradox]

tbh the leak cant be _that_ old as it has the new awp scope in it as well as the animated background?

word (gotfrag) has it that Biohaz4rd leaked it? WTF at that!!!??!!

[Lordearon]

he was kind of a hothead... innit?

[hsf]

tbh the leak cant be _that_ old as it has the new awp scope in it as well as the animated background?

word (gotfrag) has it that Biohaz4rd leaked it? WTF at that!!!??!!


Conspiracy, conspiracy. Leaked version wasn't that bad, I thought it was a definite improvement on 1.03 and other previous versions.

[svglol]

hey im in this thread!

[fooUNDERSCORE]

biohazard definately leaked it on cadred, its been doing the rounds all day as stuff like this does.
I've played it a bit, no dedicated servers and most can't handle alot of players, which is sad. But over all from the Aus GotGames community its getting a reasonable review even for an outdate leaked beta.
Alot of 1.6rs are enjoying it, and alot of sourcers are too.

It definately isn't "THAT" old, its got alot of the stuff thats been posted in the dev logs.

I'm so happy to be able to check out the stuff that has been done since 1.03, its come such a long way. I was becoming a bit pesimistic again about some of the stuff that was going on, but I think the leaked version has done more good than bad.

MOST people realise its not the "real deal", but are just excited to finally have some form of update on game changes that don't come in the form of Still screen shots and fly around videos. The experience of playing the raw beta has revived alot interest.

It was suggested to me that it might have been some sort of viral marketing ploy, i doubt it. But its a legit idea. I hope the team at CSP move forward from the leak and also use it for what it is, A GREAT opportunity to gain some followers, although that will "probably" happen anyway with the final release of the beta.

Great work so far!

[Lordearon]

yeah, I'm also receiving mostly positive feedback. I think the dev team can be proud, although they might be sad about the leak.

[1nfern0]

Yeah, but most of these retards still treat each beta version like final release, they don't seem to realise the things they don't like are things they're going to fix.

I reckon it looks very promising and they've made huge progress since last beta.



Wow. Why are you passing judgment on the incomplete leaked version of a beta? Please just wait until the official release of 1.04.


Its a leaked version of a closed beta, not even a public beta release. Of course its gonna have bugs. Looking at the dev logs from alfa, they've fixed alot of stuff already that hasn't been released in this beta.

I'm more concerned if biohazard was the person who actually leaked it, whether that means his not actually working on it anymore. They've done some good work.

Still to much like source though, and I hate they've fucked bunny hop.

[MCkubbe]

Why this thread is late maked, when on other posts this was known day ago, and how you gyus just delete the GotFrag topic on 1.04, that Google found, when you search it . .

[Lordearon]

cause we don't want to spread the leak, just get the feedback & more details on how it happened.

[dunadan]

Quote from Muggie:

Well according to the NZ forums (its only been posted on NZ forums/CG/GG from what i can find in google) It was leaked by Biohazard who had a falling out with the development team.

I have an image but will not post (has link in it).

it this true?


Seemingly.. What a stupid hang-up fat ass child. :roll: I won't test it just wait for the next official beta.


http://sw-portfolio.com/images/weathers_pic.jpg Respect my Authority!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyf3rNzU99I)

[Lordearon]

lol, is the image blocked?

[Chris]

Sucks that it leaked, can anyone from csp confirm that Biohazard did this?
What happened?

[cirNe]

dont know if its been fixed or not but you gotta fix the delay when you stop crouching. i let go of crouch and i feel like im being shot and stunned for a solid 1/2 second before i can start running again. it might be there to reduce crouch running but thats retarded and it makes the game feel weird. also it might be just that i need to get used to it but bhopping feels very hard even with mousewheel, setting fps_max to 100 helped since i forgot that it can go 100+ on hl2 engine but it still isn't quite there. it feels more like 1.6 but there is still a lot of work that needs to be done to make any sort of comparison. also double tapping crouch to get up on small ledges or boxes isnt quite there yet, like going to red rock jump on nuke you should be able to get up the first 3 boxes without ever jumping but you cant. so the way crouch works and the delay on it needs to be fixed and if anything can be done to allow bhopping the way it is in 1.6 that also should be done, i dont know if its the amount of stun or delay you get from jumping thats causing it but there are a few movement tweaks that need to be made. also because of the way crouch delays you it made it feel like crouch bhopping was impossible. this was all from the leaked version so it may be fixed but im going off the assumption that it isnt.

basically running around and shooting feels good and feels like i actually know where my bullets are going which is a huge improvement but the finer points to the game and its overall feel when using crouch or trying any sort of bhop is still lacking quite a bit.

[sevoii]

I'm lost, that link doesn't do much for me, images/whatever removed? Or am I just missing something?

[Lordearon]

read this whole thread instead?

[russki]

Gonna go play the leak today. I wonder if people put up dedicated servers in US East yet. (Lol)

[cirNe]

also another annoying thing i noticed is the noise made when losing damage from falling too high. in 1.6 it was a small grunt and a little noise that were both over pretty much instantly but in css and csp now when you fall it sounds like he's taking a shit mixed with the sound of him shattering both of his legs and it's just a little disturbing. also the footsteps are still too quiet, fuck it, just import over all 1.6 sounds including the guns. 1.6 sounds are perfect, css sounds go along perfect with their cartoon game and ruin the feel imo. i know that due to copyright you cant steal their sounds but how about someone who is good with sound make your own replica sounds from scratch and we use those, anything would be better than css sounds.

[russki]

also another annoying thing i noticed is the noise made when losing damage from falling too high. in 1.6 it was a small grunt and a little noise that were both over pretty much instantly but in css and csp now when you fall it sounds like he's taking a shit mixed with the sound of him shattering both of his legs and it's just a little disturbing. also the footsteps are still too quiet, fuck it, just import over all 1.6 sounds including the guns. 1.6 sounds are perfect, css sounds go along perfect with their cartoon game and ruin the feel imo. i know that due to copyright you cant steal their sounds but how about someone who is good with sound make your own replica sounds from scratch and we use those, anything would be better than css sounds.

Yeah, no.

[paradox]

There's a few dedicated servers up now, I'm assuming they copied the dlls from the mod folder and ran them on a windows server or something. Biohaz4rd has caused quite a mess ^^

[russki]

Lol yeah, the leak is epic fail and epic win at the same time.

[rvT]

Yeah and now we can forgot about near 1.04b release ;D

[Snooc]

I have to say, It is fucking awesome, and it's not even the latest build..

[MaveN]

i hope the LEAKED CSP Beta does not affect the work

[enza]

What snooc said. :}

[riddler]

good :)

[antyper]

Just played 5vs5 and its great.

[VIDEN]

I have tested the "leaked" version and i love it! 1.03 is nothing compare to this.
Its not really the 1.6 feeling but its much more close to 1.6 then CSS!

Good job promod team! :D

[sevoii]

Yeah, I have no idea how, but a couple of guys here in South Africa also got their hands on it. I haven't seen it yet, very tempted, but I'm holding out. Anyway, those that have got it, I have quoted their statements:


steve i got promod and its sick they just needa fix a coupel of shit but its the shit


..It's the leaked version, so theres probably things missing, but from what I see, it could be great...


promode gonna kick ass


awesome gameplay, not perfect - but really cool

Copy/Pasted straight from IRC.

Anyway, hope "promode" is as good as they say it is.

[shumped]

i'm gonna advice anyone here to NOT TRY THIS LEAKED VERSION.

why?

because it makes the wait for the real version about 500 000 000 000 000 times worse. i can't wait for the real version, this thing is gonna be gold <3

[paradox]

whatever you do, don't walk and try to throw a flash at the same time ._.

[katzen]

whatever you do, don't walk and try to throw a flash at the same time ._.

Exactly :')

[Lordearon]

tell us no-leakers what happened

[smartin]

An old build got leaked by a certain someone, who apparently also claimed it was the latest version. People got their hands on it thinking it's the latest version. It's not.

Also, those of you who seem to like it already at this stage, I feel happy for you. You'll like it even more upon the actual release. For those who hate it right now, I feel happy for you too. You'll actually like it upon the real release.

[nice123]

In my opinion the leak was beneficial to the mod. Basically everyone has a general idea how the mod is, can test certain features like maps or recoil...Think of it like a demo. You have no dedicated server files so you can't properly play it, just test it a bit.
Oh and I like how the nades look when you throw them.

[KoZzy]

In my opinion the leak was beneficial to the mod. Basically everyone has a general idea how the mod is, can test certain features like maps or recoil...Think of it like a demo. You have no dedicated server files so you can't properly play it, just test it a bit.
Oh and I like how the nades look when you throw them.

..the nade animations look fugly. and no not because they are big. they are just awkward..

[smartin]

Things are being worked on. Don't worry.

[element13]

You have no dedicated server files so you can't properly play it, just test it a bit.
Oh and I like how the nades look when you throw them.

Did 3 scrims a while ago. It was pretty epic! :D
If that's not even the newest version, then the newer one must be even crazier...

[Snooc]

By the way smartin, Is there a reason why this "special someone" leaked it to the public?

[paradox]

We all know it was B... but apparently he did it as his work was used without his permission or something? Why join a mod team if you aren't willing to give xD I think his account on here has been deleted/banned also as some of his posts have disappeared.

[Snooc]

I'm not complaining, seems like a dick though

[dANNNYY]

He shoulda put his flame shields before leaking it.
Damn.

[RATpope]

were do i dl from?

[smartin]

were do i dl from?
You don't.

[fingerling123]

Downloading now...nice job bio ;)

[1nfern0]

I hope devs don't delay an official 1.04 release because there was a leak. It's not fair to those that might be waiting instead of trying to leak. I'm not dl'ing it. I'm confident 1.04 will be out very soon as previously hinted.

[dunadan]

Agree to that, I won't test that leaked cause it has been leaked by a fat ugly mother fucker, so please don't delay it. :D

[RATpope]

any idea on biohazards steam page maybe some defacing is in order...

[fingerling123]

snap

[yup2yup]

they already have leagues being formed for 1.04...didn't think that was possibly since it's not released yet

[Forever0]

The game is quite amazing after you look past the minor problems.

Its a good mixture of source and 1.6, which I believe if the professional source and 1.6 players were to come together in this game there would be no argument on which who is better at it.


Great work CSP, keep it up. Im looking forward to the official release.

[Devil]

hmm i did see biohazard post threads about 1.04 linking to a gotfrag site a few days ago they were removed tho, and i was hoping they were going to release it.. biohazard goes p12

[shumped]

hmm i did see biohazard post threads about 1.04 linking to a gotfrag site a few days ago they were removed tho, and i was hoping they were going to release it.. biohazard goes p12
that wasn't biohazard?

[esk]

The person who leaked the beta was Biohaz4rd, the dude who coded the website n shit...

[deCeption]

I know you guys don't/didn't want us to download the leaked version, but most of us including myself could not resist. Why were you guys holding out on us man? This leaked beta version is ten times better than version 1.03 and a vastly huge improvement upon it. From the crosshairs to the origins to the recoil to the HUD, it's all an improvement. As this mod's development continues, the game feels more and more like 1.5/1.6. I can only dream of how the mod will be once the new models and animations are in.

[shumped]

The person who leaked the beta was Biohaz4rd, the dude who coded the website n shit...
any proof/evidence?

[esk]

Um yeah, the fact that he spammed the CSP Forums, in addition to making posts on GotFrag & Cadred with a beta download link, i think is enough proof right there in itself.

[RATpope]

also its been basic information that biohazard didnt like the fact that they were using soem of his stuff did a rage quit and leaked soem shit

[Lordearon]

any idea on biohazards steam page maybe some defacing is in order...

And lower yourself to his level? He isn't worth any attention tbh...

[svglol]

The person who leaked the beta was Biohaz4rd, the dude who coded the website n shit...
any proof/evidence?
http://iforce.co.nz/i/cduajq13.png

[shumped]

what stuff were they using without his permission?

[element13]

what stuff were they using without his permission?

Touch your nose! :)

[shumped]

what stuff were they using without his permission?

Touch your nose! :)
i am

[10000]

Voodoo his soul, I am.

Whats the point of dl it, its the beta of a beta and a old one for what i read, theres a reason why it hasnt been realeased yet.

[bryaNNN]

i played it i am ashamed to admit :/ but the plus side games AMAZING, now im dying for the finished product, you guys are doing a phenomenal job keep up the great work!

[drosalion]

the leak shows alot of promise, especially considering what most people have said about it being an old version that is pre-spunge recoil.

the problems i could see, that im assuming are fixed in the official release, were things like the recoil being not quite right, aswell as it being quite difficult to get the crosshair sizes and behaviour of the lines themselves (they are too long) the same as cs 1.6.

the other problems that im not sure will be fixed or not are minor movement issues such as the speed loss penalty you receive after landing a jump is too short (ie. you can start to move again at full speed too quickly - we're talking like a quarter of a second or even less here but the difference is definitely noticable), aswell as not being able to tap-crouch ur way up small boxes/ledges/steps (someone mentioned this earlier in this thread), edgefriction is either missing or not high enough (when you crouch towards edges of boxes/ledges etc and your meant to move slower and slower) and bunnyhopping not being right (if you mess it up even slightly your forward momentum stops almost completely).

the major issue that i dont think will be fixed (until they do their own custom models/animations) are that the players POV are too high (or it may be the entire player is too large in ratio with the maps, im not actually sure) which leads to boxes you can see over that you shouldnt be able to (pretty much all of them) aswell as things that you cant see under that you should be able to (like looking to B doors from long A crossing on dust2 for example). Of course the models + player animations (movement + death etc) arent there either but they've stated that wont happen till later releases so im not really considering that a problem (at the moment).

cant wait for a proper realease

[Olympus]

I think this release is really good. Ty

[MCkubbe]

The person who leaked the beta was Biohaz4rd, the dude who coded the website n shit...
Well it may he diidn't do this, but someone used hiss popular name
+ now he gonna "break" your site . .
+ you got to piss him off ,for something .

[Lordearon]

Detective MCKubbe at work! vas-y sherlock!

btw, I read some guy is 'ashamed' to admit he played it? Why would you? Just don't come with a buglist as that would piss off the devs. It's like we got a sneak preview. Unfortunately I currently have no access to fast enough internet / PC to play any games, else I would deff. give it a try...

*REMOVED THE VIDEO*

don't post links to anything, thanks -alba

[sokzo]

wow, if that is the leaked version its lookin' pretty swell!

[Lordearon]

it is the leaked version - I noticed it has weapon bob already.
I wonder if it's still like that if the flashbang is really far, you are only flashed for a very short period. (like spotting long on dust2, if T flash pit)

[cirNe]

just played it some more and the most noticeable problems i can see are the POV and in game movement. the POV seems to be too high or like the models are too big, it might not be fixable but i hope it is. then comes the movement, bhopping isnt possible like it always has been in past versions(1.6 and before i mean), surely the coding team knows people will not switch unless this is perfect, it's a huge part of cs and the only thing worse than not having bhopping would be not having spammable walls imo. also crouch needs to be worked on quite a bit, hold crouch for a second then let go an try to run and you'll notice quite a bit of delay before you can run full speed, a lot of players like to use crouch to adjust recoil mid spray or just prefer shooting while crouched and this will affect them in a bad way because every time they get done shooting they will be stuck in that spot for much too long.

i like the direction you're heading and the progress made from 1.03 but people need to stop calling this amazing and shit, A LOT of work needs to be done and fixed when it comes to in game movement before switching from 1.6 to csp would make sense.

[yuri]

This is not a public release so dont be surprised it itsnt perfect in many ways.

[Patrick]

This version is awesome! But the jumping feels strange.

[fingerling123]

Automatically switch to more powerfull weapons is disabled by default. Please oh please enable it in default or it'll get people confused really! Also you have to change the color of ur crosshair with color codes, wtf? And idd the jumping is really strange and the wall friction come on bring that in

[RATpope]

hey you cant post like any links now apprerently thats gonna make things alot harder to get a point by.

[bryaNNN]

i said i was ashamed b/c they didnt want anyone to play it and i still did, b.c i couldnt resist. but it was awesome so im happy. the only thing i noticed other than basic things that ppl mentioned was the flashes last too long. but im sure thats been fixed =] but the one positive from the leak is people wont be complaining as much for new videos b/c we already got an idea of whats to come now =]

[yuri]

Automatically switch to more powerfull weapons is disabled by default. ... Also you have to change the color of ur crosshair with color codes, wtf?
PRO in PROmod stands for PROfessional

[shumped]

bhopping isnt possible like it always has been in past versions(1.6 and before i mean)

are you insane? you can get to crazy speeds by bhopping, sometimes not having 100 tick will make you slow down but i can reach T ramp on inferno before T does if i bhop without slowing down :/

[sevoii]

An old build got leaked by a certain someone, who apparently also claimed it was the latest version. People got their hands on it thinking it's the latest version. It's not.

Also, those of you who seem to like it already at this stage, I feel happy for you. You'll like it even more upon the actual release. For those who hate it right now, I feel happy for you too. You'll actually like it upon the real release.

That actually makes me even more tempted to get my hands on the leaked version :cry:

[tiger]

bhopping isnt possible like it always has been in past versions(1.6 and before i mean)

are you insane? you can get to crazy speeds by bhopping, sometimes not having 100 tick will make you slow down but i can reach T ramp on inferno before T does if i bhop without slowing down :/

Man WTF are you talking about? cirNe is talking about 1.6 bhoping that DOES NOT allow you to get more speed. We're not talking about source shitty bhoping.

Cs1.6 allows you to gain Speed by strafejumping... You never lowgravity Strafe and mouse45 degree turnwhateverimtalking its possible to gain speed in 1.6

[Mith]

Yes, you can get speed by strafejumping in 1.6, and you could get a lot of speed by bhopping in earlier versions (pre 1.5).

That's exactly why they implemented a pretty severe speed penalty after you land from a jump, so mind-blowing fast bhopping couldn't be done anymore; so it's like we know it in 1.6 nowadays. You can get more speed in the air, but as soon as you land, your speed will go below (or really close to, can't remember if you can still remain above) the normal running speed.

Basically, you can go as fast as 340+ units/s in the air, but when you land you lose a considerable amount of speed, thus rendering bhopping useless compared to normal movement (and it should stay that way!).

[tiger]

What I meant is that it doesn't give any advantage to bhop in 1.6.

[hxcguitarist]

What I meant is that it doesn't give any advantage to bhop in 1.6.

Slight advantage if any at all.

[MaveN]

This version is awesome! But the jumping feels strange.
yep jumping doesn't make fun

[SirK]

yeah jumping is strange xD
but the game feels great =)

[haden]

the recoil is shit :)

&

netcode = fail

[antyper]

ak47 feels bad. m4a1 feels great. netcode at stable tickrate 100 is still a bit anoying but playable. cant wait for official release and dedicated servers. :> overall big improvment but still gameplay feel is weird.

[Patrick]

AK47 feels awesome. O_o

[groov]

lol @ the kid who said the netcode is fail.

The netcode is spot on. Hitboxes are barely anywhere but right on the model. the only boxes I saw slightly behind were the legs and feet, but seriously who aims for the feet. Chest/Head boxes are perfect.
The netcode issue you are probably complaining about is simply due to shitty dedicated servers because this is only a leaked version not one meant and destined to be used on dedicated servers.

Learn your shit before you post senseless dribble.


P.S. The NetCode was taken and modified from the best NetCode available. the Quake3 CPMA netcode if I am not mistaken. Correct me if I am wrong Betas/Devs.

[RATpope]

i thikn they should go public with this and post a little thing on the news tab and get everything set straight on wat happend.

[cirNe]

What I meant is that it doesn't give any advantage to bhop in 1.6.

are you kidding? i've use bhopping and kz skills in every single match and scrim i've ever played. for instance i could get from apartments on inferno to b with the bomb by bhopping through vent and out window in 1 motion and then go on to b from there and it would be about 4-5 seconds quicker than somebody who cant bhop. think of how many times you've planted with less than 5 seconds and maybe you'll realize why its important along with being able to avoid shots by being nimble. or in inferno at B you could bhop from site railing to bomb box and go from the ground to the top of the box in about 1 second, i've used that to win rounds at least a dozen times and with bhopping how it is now it wouldnt be possible every time like it is in 1.6. my comments may seem harsh at times like i want this to fail or something but its just the opposite, i want cs to continue for as long as possible and having it on a newer engine is the best step to ensure that but the game needs to perform exactly as 1.6 does or people simply wont switch and we'll stick with 1.6 until it is completely dead. being mobile and nimble is a huge part of why top players like it so much because its something that takes years to get down perfect, that being said bhopping and holding crouch needs to be like it is in 1.6.

with bhopping in 1.6 you dont carry your speed with bhops like it was in 1.3 or source, all you can do is gain small amounts of space by air strafing and moving slightly quicker than the maxspeed of running but as soon as you land and stop or dont have a good bhop you will lose all that ground you made up so it cancels itself out without disabling bhopping. in kzing, a really good jump is 250+ units, and really good bhop is 240+ units and then there are techniques like count jumping which would be 260+ for a good jump. so bhopping clearly doesnt allow you to add speed with the jump, you can just gain small amounts of ground with perfect bhops because of the strafing. maybe delaying the start stun you get from jumping by a tiny margin would remove the awkward feeling, like maybe if when you jump in csp it doesnt stop or stun your motion at all for .01 seconds or something. i dont know if that would work or how to fix it obviously, i just know the way it is now isnt gonna cut it.

[shumped]

What I meant is that it doesn't give any advantage to bhop in 1.6.
actually it does give quite an advantage, not as much as in source but you can get to long and wait the T out when they've just reached the door/box instead of reaching there kinda at the same time or to late

[scotula]

There is a ladder gltich. If you crouch climb up the ladder and let go of the crouch key, you stay crouch climbing.

[bryaNNN]

JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW THE REG AND HITBOXES ARE A BIT POOR ON THE LEAKED BC UR PLAYING ON USER HOSTED SERVERS THEY ARENT REAL SERVERS

[shumped]

JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW THE REG AND HITBOXES ARE A BIT POOR ON THE LEAKED BC UR PLAYING ON USER HOSTED SERVERS THEY ARENT REAL SERVERS
+1

there will ALWAYS be lots of lagg and bad hit recognition on listen servers just because they aren't run as a proper server.

[Okieant]

saw a vid on Youtube..obv not what build they're using now but i just hope they address the character movement and sounds cuz that makes it feel/look very sourcy

[shumped]

yeah, sounds (steps, weapons etc) needs to be fixed

[rocket]

things that need change:

1. recoil / crosshair - which is apparently already changed or being worked on

2. nades need improvement - bit sluggish - yet again think thats already done or its being done

3. Footstep sounds need to be deeper like 1.6

4. jumping really needs a change, it was even better in 1.03.

5. new custom models that are around the size of 1.6 added

6. boxes done to a different scale after new models? or whatever it is needed to have them like 1.6 where the head is just below appose to source where the head is just above.

all and all its looking very promising and is an improvement on 1.03

[rvT]

Boxes/maps are in 1.6 scale so only change huge Source models to be like 1.6 size-vise

[Lordearon]

most of whatever you will come up with will be replied to as 'already changed/wait for the official release' - there is absolutely no point in posting 'bug lists' and such...

[tw1tch]

OMFG IM SO FUCKIONG HAPPY!!!!! FRIENDS UPLOADING FOR ME RIGHT NOW FUCK YA... THIS IS AMERICA!!!!

[Lordearon]

actually, America is starting to become the only place where things like that are becoming harder 'n harder. Think about how it goes in Russia/Sweden... anything goes.

[tw1tch]

STAY ON TOPIC!!! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CSP

Teh leaked version haz a trojan onboard you could lose your steamaccount.

[SirK]

you are kidding?

[chuck64]

Dam i glad my version doesnt have hacks in it =D of wait only my own ha

you are kidding?


im not sure about it ...

try it!

[SirK]

maybe i will^^
waiting for the finished mod is soooo hard xD

[tw1tch]

maybe i will^^
waiting for the finished mod is soooo hard xD
ill tell you whats hard.

wait... no i won't

[Snooc]

I searched thru the files before installing it, just to make sure no hacks or nothing is in there!

[DIEEIER]

Stop makin suggestions on what the leaked version needs.

[bryaNNN]

there were so many nano bots in the leaked version i got zomgz, my comp is on fire right now but idc i need to read forums. LOLZ ROFLCOPPTER..

there arent any viruses/trojans/adaware in the file btw

[mizzack]

most of whatever you will come up with will be replied to as 'already changed/wait for the official release' - there is absolutely no point in posting 'bug lists' and such...

^^this

[Wallyboy]

most of whatever you will come up with will be replied to as 'already changed/wait for the official release' - there is absolutely no point in posting 'bug lists' and such...

^^this
Exactly

People are retarded, everyone was debating if this was the final release and it says on it CSPromod BETA (BETATATATA!!!!!) 1.04

[hsf]

I have a question for the devs and forums admins.

Seeing as CSP 1.04 has been leaked, why has it not been officially released? Is there still stuff you're working on, or do you have an actual release date, but not telling the public just incase there is a set back etc...

I'm not trying to be arrogant in asking this question, I'm genuinely just curious as to why.

[fooUNDERSCORE]

I have a question for the devs and forums admins.

Seeing as CSP 1.04 has been leaked, why has it not been officially released? Is there still stuff you're working on, or do you have an actual release date, but not telling the public just incase there is a set back etc...

I'm not trying to be arrogant in asking this question, I'm genuinely just curious as to why.


tip 1. read the forum.
tip 2. the forum must be read.

all your questions have already been answered multiple times, some already in this thread.

[derWalter]

thx FU_

[Wallyboy]

I have a question for the devs and forums admins.

Seeing as CSP 1.04 has been leaked, why has it not been officially released? Is there still stuff you're working on, or do you have an actual release date, but not telling the public just incase there is a set back etc...

I'm not trying to be arrogant in asking this question, I'm genuinely just curious as to why.

It's not finished. People under that it was 1.04 BETA!!!! Meaning it's NOT the final version...

My brother hangs on the gotfrag vent party's for 1.6 and chibsquad said they basically under no circumstances are releasing it until they feel it's COMPLETELY right. So I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out some time in 2010.

[scotula]

I have a question for the devs and forums admins.

Seeing as CSP 1.04 has been leaked, why has it not been officially released? Is there still stuff you're working on, or do you have an actual release date, but not telling the public just incase there is a set back etc...

I'm not trying to be arrogant in asking this question, I'm genuinely just curious as to why.

It's not finished. People under that it was 1.04 BETA!!!! Meaning it's NOT the final version...

My brother hangs on the gotfrag vent party's for 1.6 and chibsquad said they basically under no circumstances are releasing it until they feel it's COMPLETELY right. So I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out some time in 2010.

Well get surprised because they've already announced the released date of the new beta in a forum post.


Well... kinda, just said it was going to be released in 2009.

[fogster]

thanks for this thread.
didn't know about the leak and downloadet it now :P

it's much better than 1.03 but movement is quite strange, especially if one ducks.

[Wallyboy]

I have a question for the devs and forums admins.

Seeing as CSP 1.04 has been leaked, why has it not been officially released? Is there still stuff you're working on, or do you have an actual release date, but not telling the public just incase there is a set back etc...

I'm not trying to be arrogant in asking this question, I'm genuinely just curious as to why.

It's not finished. People under that it was 1.04 BETA!!!! Meaning it's NOT the final version...

My brother hangs on the gotfrag vent party's for 1.6 and chibsquad said they basically under no circumstances are releasing it until they feel it's COMPLETELY right. So I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out some time in 2010.

Well get surprised because they've already announced the released date of the new beta in a forum post.


Well... kinda, just said it was going to be released in 2009.

Again, it could come out in 2010. BETA means BETA not the final thing...

[haGisson]

the BETA will be out in 2009! the final thing 2010/2011??

[hsf]

I have a question for the devs and forums admins.

Seeing as CSP 1.04 has been leaked, why has it not been officially released? Is there still stuff you're working on, or do you have an actual release date, but not telling the public just incase there is a set back etc...

I'm not trying to be arrogant in asking this question, I'm genuinely just curious as to why.

It's not finished. People under that it was 1.04 BETA!!!! Meaning it's NOT the final version...

My brother hangs on the gotfrag vent party's for 1.6 and chibsquad said they basically under no circumstances are releasing it until they feel it's COMPLETELY right. So I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out some time in 2010.


I know it's a BETA, and even the final release of 1.04 will be BETA also, it's not like I'm a complete retard and don't know what I'm talking about. All I'm saying is, we've been given a previous version of 1.04, so why not the current... It's all I'm saying, I'm not demanding it, I'm just looking for a mature response to my question, preferably from a dev.

[Panz]

most of whatever you will come up with will be replied to as 'already changed/wait for the official release' - there is absolutely no point in posting 'bug lists' and such...

^^this

Otherwise mizzack will destroy your face.

Hopefully he won't destroy mine. RIP #rockout <3 I still miss you mack and alex :(

[rijst]

played it. no need to give any comment on it for reasons given earlier in this thread.. but I just wanted to let you guys know that the Big Boss was easy to defeat.

[chuck64]

dborn from complexity he plays it and likes it here check this

(21:49.45) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) i think it's sick
(21:49.47) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) i'm quitting 1.6 right now
(21:49.55) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) i don't like that there's no crouch hop
(21:49.59) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) but it's pretty insane
(21:50.14) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) the awp is nuts

Go nuts yes pro players do play it I have a feeling im gunna get quoted a lot lol
Oh yeah i forgot to put this is the *NEWEST* version which only beta testers can get not the leaked crap that bio put out there.

[rijst]

Well, too bad for mister dborn that crouch hop is gone. When they added delay in the awp, it added to the realism of the game and eventually to gameplay. I am sure that 'no crouch hop' will do the same.

[chuck64]

When you see the awp you will understand what hes talking about.

[haGisson]

(21:49.55) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) i don't like that there's no crouch hop

you'll hear that from every pro if you ask them

[chuck64]

(21:49.55) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) i don't like that there's no crouch hop

you'll hear that from every pro if you ask them

It was taken out cause its an exploit in the first place on 1.6 why do you think they tryed to fix it like 5 times but fucked it up everytime? lol

[tiger]

An exploit that has become a part of the game.

[haGisson]

(21:49.55) (5+coL|dboorN^_^vauMs-wp-) i don't like that there's no crouch hop

you'll hear that from every pro if you ask them

It was taken out cause its an exploit in the first place on 1.6 why do you think they tryed to fix it like 5 times but fucked it up everytime? lol

and why do you think the community was happy that they weren't able to fix it?

[Lordearon]

true, rijst, but the 3rd level seemed to never end. Glad I got through that one!

[tiger]

I've noticed you can't get into rafters in nuke the same way you could in 1.6, you have do crouch before going into it (when you're on the rafter). That's a bit annoying.

[MaveN]

When you see the awp you will understand what hes talking about.
[youtube:dued2fty]um_O7qFWZDk[/youtube:dued2fty]
SOURCE AWP :?

// btw: raute is cheating...

[element13]

An exploit that has become a part of the game.

I'm gonna miss crouch hopping, but I think it's for the best. It's an exploit and can really get annoying sometimes when people really abuse it. I think were better off about it.

[tiger]

Crouching should be exactly like 1.6 meaning you shouldn't be stopped when you double crouch while running and when you crouch to have a better control of your recoil there shouldn't be a delay before you can start running again.
HOWEVER if you crouch hop it should make as much sound as if you were running, not less. That would be perfect but I dunno if it's possible though.

[shumped]

Has the "duckhop" feature (the ability to jump slightly by tapping +duck) been included in CSPromod?
Yes. However, it is not possible to exploit this feature to mask player movement sounds.

directly copy pasted from the FAQ.

there's nothing more to discuss about it. you'll be able to but it won't mask the movement sounds.

[tiger]

I wasn't talking about being able to see over a box by hitting +duck.

Edit: Try to double crouch while running and you'll notice that you're stopped.

[alba]

that's been there since the very start.

[StaNky]

If I say stupid things again, I might get in troubles!


*MOD EDIT*

[shumped]

I wasn't talking about being able to see over a box by hitting +duck.
what?

[tiger]

Sorry I didn't entirely read your post, edited it.

[haGisson]

Has the "duckhop" feature (the ability to jump slightly by tapping +duck) been included in CSPromod?
Yes. However, it is not possible to exploit this feature to mask player movement sounds.

directly copy pasted from the FAQ.

there's nothing more to discuss about it. you'll be able to but it won't mask the movement sounds.

but russian walk isn't in. you can only peek over crates

[shumped]

Has the "duckhop" feature (the ability to jump slightly by tapping +duck) been included in CSPromod?
Yes. However, it is not possible to exploit this feature to mask player movement sounds.

directly copy pasted from the FAQ.

there's nothing more to discuss about it. you'll be able to but it won't mask the movement sounds.

but russian walk isn't in. you can only peek over crates
are we talking about the unfinished kinda buggy 1.04 leak now?

[derWalter]

i like the way it is in the leaked version. thats the way i used it since 99 ^^

sliding is possible but no crouchhopping

[PolarPanda]

honestly crouch-hop is the easiest exploit to do (I used to do it just because spamming +duck was a nervous tick). It doesn't give anyone any sort of edge because everyone can do it. So taking it out shouldn't really affect any gap in skill. Though now I'll have to get rid of that tick..

[CoR3]

Why I can't download the CSProMode??

[alba]

You must be new here, it's not out so it's only logical that you can't download it.

[CoR3]

Oh okay, sorry. Yes I'm new. But in the german Forum "counterstrike.de" it says that the Mod is out.
Sorry for my bad english, I'm german.
Here is the link to the thread:
http://counterstrike.4pforen.4players.d ... p?t=287626 (http://counterstrike.4pforen.4players.de/viewtopic.php?t=287626)

[alba]

So someone outside of here says it's out means it is? Wow, that's news to me!
It is not out and that dude even photoshoped the gui ingame screen and added stupid ads or some shit, lol. Some of those guys have dedication.

no, its saying there was a leak.... theres no word about a release.

[dANNNYY]

Spam some other thread,not mine.
Go away.Shoo.

[SirK]

this guy is using the roccat gui in css ^^
http://www.roccat.org/ROCCAT-SCENE/ROCCAT-Stuff/ROCCAT-SDMS-GUI/

[dANNNYY]

this guy is using the roccat gui in css ^^
http://www.roccat.org/ROCCAT-SCENE/ROCCAT-Stuff/ROCCAT-SDMS-GUI/
What?
Who?

[SirK]

this guy^^
http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/asq7wqby/cspgame2.png

[shumped]

this guy^^
http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/asq7wqby/cspgame2.png
no? he's on the leaked csp version?

[MaveN]

this guy^^
http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/asq7wqby/cspgame2.png
no? he's on the leaked csp version?
leaked csp+roccat gui

not working correctly

[shumped]

this guy^^
http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/asq7wqby/cspgame2.png
no? he's on the leaked csp version?
leaked csp+roccat gui

not working correctly
csp is a mod so a GUI skin should work for csp

[alba]

No and especially because it's a mod. A gui skin will not work because the gui is custom, that's the whole point.

[perfypoo]

DUH!

[patrol]

I was very impressed by this leaked version. I was a doubter, but it made me change my mind!
The spray patterns and gun-feel was really well made. The maps was great!. I'm 100% sure that i will convert to promod when this version gets released. And i can't wait to try out the new stuff you've added!

I just thought, a year from now, csp will be what everyone is playing at all the lans.

[CoR3]

I'm dumb and banned now.

[vctm]

Ähem.... I found this on the internet:
---
This are all files of CSProMode.
So it's already out!!

It's called a leak you dumbcunt, it's not officially out, read the thread.

Also, you'll probably get forum banned for posting that link.

[puddin1]

I'm dumb and banned now.

I loled

[gildus]

Hi, excellent CSPROMOD

[SirK]

I'm dumb and banned now.

I loled
me 2 xD

[cirNe]

so from the last page or 2 am i correct in assuming that you wont be removing the delay from crouching and double tapping crouch? because thats pretty much exactly what valve did to fix the crouch hopping bug and if you remember there was an outrage and people even stopped playing until it was fixed. if you want people to actually switch from a working game to a game that has movement that pisses them off it isnt going to happen. as simply as it can be put... mimic current 1.6 movement or people will not switch.

bugs come along and sometimes they are accepted by the community, wallbanging, awp with no delay, and crouch running are 3 things that are all bugs but if valve messes with them anymore more people will quit. leave crouch running as it is and greatly reduce or remove the awp delay, thats something that valve messed up and wouldnt go back on and would attract people and make them want to switch. to this day i still dont like using the awp as much as i did before because of that delay, fix it to where it was in 1.5 and a guarantee you'll have a lot of competitive players taking this game more seriously.

mimic current 1.6 movement or people will not switch.

i think: csp is a new game, so there will be small changes (no not such as big as in css)
and im a cs1.6 player at first i disliked the crouch delay... but i have to say, somehow i got used to it

[Lordearon]

bugs come along and sometimes they are accepted by the community, wallbanging, awp with no delay, and crouch running are 3 things that are all bugs but if valve messes with them anymore more people will quit. leave crouch running as it is and greatly reduce or remove the awp delay, thats something that valve messed up and wouldnt go back on and would attract people and make them want to switch. to this day i still dont like using the awp as much as i did before because of that delay, fix it to where it was in 1.5 and a guarantee you'll have a lot of competitive players taking this game more seriously.
Rofl, wallbanging & awp no delay are not bugs... they were conscious developer choices (and valve was not involved in either of them), believe me you don't just get wallbanging by bug.. (I never did a wallbang in HL:DM...)

sometimes you're so full of shit when you try to make your point.

[puddin1]

Last version I played you could crouch hop ONCE (Just like it is in almost all competitions).

That way you can peak corners still and use it a little to you advantage but you cannot use it as a way to get around without being heard to well.

I think this is the best solution imaginable to crouch running.

[tiger]

Last version I played you could crouch hop ONCE (Just like it is in almost all competitions).

Are you saying that crouch hopping isn't allowed in almost all competitions? If so, you are 100% wrong.

Even though I'm for crouching to be left as it is in 1.6 and I agree with cirNe, I think crouch hopping should be exactly like in 1.6 but not exploitable to make less sound. I believe there is an AMX plugin that makes this possible in 1.6.

I think he means it's allowed on leagues ;x

[ala69]

the game is very good

[[EA]]

the game is very good

Mhm.

[hsf]

How about just make the game 100% bug free? So there are no exploits which can be exploited, no bugs which can be used and no shitter movement like that stupid russian walking.

It's a bug, it's not meant to be in the game, therefore a finished product would be unfinished if it had that in it. Stop crying about changes you autistic cunts. Get used to it. It's on the source engine, it will have changes.

[smartin]

How about just make the game 100% bug free? So there are no exploits which can be exploited, no bugs which can be used and no shitter movement like that stupid russian walking.

It's a bug, it's not meant to be in the game, therefore a finished product would be unfinished if it had that in it. Stop crying about changes you autistic cunts. Get used to it. It's on the source engine, it will have changes.
A bug which remained untouched all throughout 1.x, which eventually turned into a gameplay element.
It adds another dimension to gameplay, speeds up the otherwise slow game, and takes some practice to get right.

The only problem in my eyes with it (in 1.6) is the way it seems to affect hitboxes, but if that can be resolved, I'm all for implementing it. I believe it comes naturally from the duckjump mechanism + no unduckdelay, meaning you don't lose much speed from doing the duckjump, nor from landing ducked and repeating the process.

I'd say it's more of a logical product of the duckjump mechanism, rather than a weird nasty bug.

[doublethink]

Last version I played you could crouch hop ONCE (Just like it is in almost all competitions).

That way you can peak corners still and use it a little to you advantage but you cannot use it as a way to get around without being heard to well.

I think this is the best solution imaginable to crouch running.

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 million gazillion <3 you for being smart.

[haGisson]

How about just make the game 100% bug free? So there are no exploits which can be exploited, no bugs which can be used and no shitter movement like that stupid russian walking.

It's a bug, it's not meant to be in the game, therefore a finished product would be unfinished if it had that in it. Stop crying about changes you autistic cunts. Get used to it. It's on the source engine, it will have changes.
A bug which remained untouched all throughout 1.x, which eventually turned into a gameplay element.
It adds another dimension to gameplay, speeds up the otherwise slow game, and takes some practice to get right.

The only problem in my eyes with it (in 1.6) is the way it seems to affect hitboxes, but if that can be resolved, I'm all for implementing it. I believe it comes naturally from the duckjump mechanism + no unduckdelay, meaning you don't lose much speed from doing the duckjump, nor from landing ducked and repeating the process.

I'd say it's more of a logical product of the duckjump mechanism, rather than a weird nasty bug.

you're 100% right mr. martin

[csfitte]

when I try to download the beta nothing happens

[RamenNoodular]

when I try to download the beta nothing happens

Wait for the official release link, and something will happen :)

[alba]

bugs come along and sometimes they are accepted by the community, wallbanging, awp with no delay, and crouch running are 3 things that are all bugs but if valve messes with them anymore more people will quit. leave crouch running as it is and greatly reduce or remove the awp delay, thats something that valve messed up and wouldnt go back on and would attract people and make them want to switch. to this day i still dont like using the awp as much as i did before because of that delay, fix it to where it was in 1.5 and a guarantee you'll have a lot of competitive players taking this game more seriously.
Rofl, wallbanging & awp no delay are not bugs... they were conscious developer choices (and valve was not involved in either of them), believe me you don't just get wallbanging by bug.. (I never did a wallbang in HL:DM...)

sometimes you're so full of shit when you try to make your point.

Then you're a noob, you can wallbang with the gauss in hldm.

[RamenNoodular]

bugs come along and sometimes they are accepted by the community, wallbanging, awp with no delay, and crouch running are 3 things that are all bugs but if valve messes with them anymore more people will quit. leave crouch running as it is and greatly reduce or remove the awp delay, thats something that valve messed up and wouldnt go back on and would attract people and make them want to switch. to this day i still dont like using the awp as much as i did before because of that delay, fix it to where it was in 1.5 and a guarantee you'll have a lot of competitive players taking this game more seriously.
Rofl, wallbanging & awp no delay are not bugs... they were conscious developer choices (and valve was not involved in either of them), believe me you don't just get wallbanging by bug.. (I never did a wallbang in HL:DM...)

sometimes you're so full of shit when you try to make your point.

Then you're a noob, you can wallbang with the gauss in hldm.

oh shit!! you just got owned!

[trekkster]

Waiting for official release link. Been waiting forever for beta 1.04, but I am conserved enough to wait around till the end of this month.

From what I am hearing so far... people need to cool down. Its all kinda worthless to get hyped up about a leaked game. The dev team worked their butts trying to release this game to the public for a while. There is no reason for anyone to complain about the gameplay aspects of the game when it has not been released yet.

In my opinion, I believe that the best thing this beta needs is proper criticism and good feedback from the public to the dev team AFTER the new beta 1.04 is released.

[Lordearon]

Rofl, wallbanging & awp no delay are not bugs... they were conscious developer choices (and valve was not involved in either of them), believe me you don't just get wallbanging by bug.. (I never did a wallbang in HL:DM...)

sometimes you're so full of shit when you try to make your point.

Then you're a noob, you can wallbang with the gauss in hldm.

oh shit!! you just got owned!

damn, nice call, I did wallbang in HL:DM ... didn't remember it ... I do remember jumping with the gauss ... just sent shivers down my spine about the memories...

[eveo]

when I try to download the beta nothing happens


1. Extract
2. Put all those files into: C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\SourceMods\
3. it should look like: C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\SourceMods\CSPromod
4. restart steam
5. my games tab
6. launch and play

I don't recommend it though since its really trash, not as in the game but there is only one pub server with aim ak colt which is quite gay and the server lags like crazy. It's good if you just want to screw around with friends for the next few days but that's quite pointless. Honestly, the game feels and looks so sick so test it out then flip shit on the 31st :P

[jingyuncheng]

Those Aussie's gave nice feedback tbh

[[EA]]

Those Aussie's gave nice feedback tbh

Like us. :lol:

Those Aussie's gave nice feedback tbh