csp_oilrig2

[Vainglory]

Previously named csp_frost, I renamed it Milluscan, as the map is a mix between Mill and Tuscan. The concept is finished and I'm trying to figure out how to make the map the right size for 1.05 player models. My goal is to get the map finished before 1.05 comes out. I have five hours on the weekdays and all day on weekends to work on Milluscan, so I think I'll have enough time. I'll update images daily once I can really start on the map.


--- Update ---
Gonna go with an oil-rig environment as suggested by blackaddR.

Some people have brought up the fact that the map name sucks so I'm going to change it. Suggestions are welcome.


--- Update ---
Final concept. Decided on the name csp_oilrig2.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3163/cspoilrig2.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/cspoilrig2.jpg/)

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[hxcguitarist]

I really like the layout. I can't wait to see your progress images and to test it out (in 1.05b of course)

[smilesger]

looking good dude ;)
great job!

[sIMson]

But you shall think of some better name, this one sounds strange...

[cryeR]

look at the boxes of de_dust2 on A, they are all 64*64*64 in size in goldscr

http://www.insideresports.com/uploads/misc/dust2.jpg

[blackaddR]

Please do an oil-rig environment. I think Redstar said he was going to do that with his aim_pistol map but changed to the 'surface-tension' (blackmesa) theme.

[madmax]

what was wrong with frost as a name milluscan sounds stupid you cant remeber it and its hard to say compared to frost.

[Vainglory]

An oil rig environment? Hmmm, I'll try...

You guys are welcome to give me some suggestions on map names.

[[EA]]

Looks like a csp_collateral to me.

[mang]

Looks interesting. I really hope some kind of Mill or Tuscan variant is released with 1.05. And an oilrig theme sounds like a welcome change, so for what it's worth I hope yours is the one that gets adopted and becomes successful.

How final is this layout? I'm intrigued by the orange lines in mid.

[Vainglory]

How final is this layout? I'm intrigued by the orange lines in mid.

Well I'm changing the concept to fit the theme. Those orange lines at mid were suppose to be bunker doors, but because the environment is now on an oil-rig, I'm going to have to change it.


I had the concept finished yesterday but saved it wrong and now it's all blurry, so I'll have to redo it... :(

[cryeR]

i would suggest to at least modify the layout, i dont think that its good to have so much versions of the same layout, in my opinion you should mirror your layout vertically for a total new experience together with the new theme or try to make the first dark/night map for csp =)

[Diablorunner]

Imo just stick to your origin idea, dont change to much until a "playable" beta is released. But you prolly knows whats best here.

My impression of the map is good, it looks cool.

About theme I think a snowy map with melting parts on it would look great, like a semi-melting snow environment just like a winterspring in mars or something. It could be: csp_winterspring / de_winterspring ... perhaps.

[downbad]

Csp_pipeline
Csp_oilspill
Csp_british_petroleum

**last 2 r jokes

[Vainglory]

or try to make the first dark/night map for csp =)

I'll try it out, but I doubt it will work competitively. I'll probably meet half-way and go for a sunrise or sunset sort of thing.



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Csp_pipeline
Csp_oilspill
Csp_british_petroleum

**last 2 r jokes

lol

[n69ky]

make it burn everywhere and oil in the water!! csp_BP

[downbad]

I just got back from skiing in park city.

[Vainglory]

Off-topic much? I snowboard at Beaver Mountain.

[downbad]

You could do a night time map and use a lot of floodlights that are on oilrigs.

[Vainglory]

You could do a night time map and use a lot of floodlights that are on oilrigs.

This is true. Looks good in my head. I'll do it.

[Vainglory]

Updated the OP. Can a mod change the thread name to csp_oilrig2, please?

Let me know what you guys think of the name and the changes. Gonna start working on the map tomorrow.

[Redstar]

Updated the OP. Can a mod change the thread name to csp_oilrig2, please?
Done

[Vainglory]

Thank you, Redstar!

[blackaddR]

Csp_pipeline
Csp_oilspill
Csp_british_petroleum

**last 2 r jokes

I lolled..really loud..and it hurt.

[m0535]

pls no further layout changes ;)
start your work and let us see some screenieees :P

really interested in the result...

[Vainglory]

Working on it now. ;)

[downbad]

This could be a simple layout for a 3D sky box later on with the 2 oil tankers next to the rig. Is CT spawn the Helipad? I like that. Also notice the containers and crains

http://www.ianztrainz.com.au/oilrig1450.jpg

[Vainglory]

Yup, ct spawn is the helipad. I was planning on adding oil tankers, cranes and containers.

[blackaddR]

I'm liking the concept of this :D

If you need any textures making, PM me.

[Vainglory]

Wow, thanks!

[Vainglory]

How do you guys suggest I make this work?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3478/howet.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/howet.jpg/)

The ramp extends pretty far into bombsite 2. What should I do so it doesn't extend so far?

[mang]

You could make it a straight drop, so you can get into the bombsite easily but have to boost to get out. Or instead of a ramp, you could join the high ground to a walkway running around the edge of the bombsite, ending in a ladder.

This bombsite has been changed pretty drastically in every version of mill/tuscan, so don't be afraid to try something new with it. Maybe look at some other bombsites on successful/interesting maps and see how they work.

[Vainglory]

Solution.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3120/esgrae.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/esgrae.jpg/)

[Vainglory]

You guys think this is too high?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8885/toohigh.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/i/toohigh.jpg/)http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/631/toohigh2.th.jpg (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/toohigh2.jpg/)http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3876/toohigh3.th.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/toohigh3.jpg/)

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[[EA]]

Hmmmmm, it doesn't look too bad of a drop.

[j0lt]

It looks quite extreme. I had some similar height changes in my original version of csp_edge, but I made them smaller for the improved layout I did.

[n69ky]

btw dont use such a dark light_enviroment ... noone will play a dark map :I

[Diablorunner]

Sharp SpotlightS ?

[j0lt]

btw dont use such a dark light_enviroment ... noone will play a dark map :I

People play csp_train :P

[mang]

The drop is pretty extreme, but for an oil rig setting it's kind of realistic (except maybe in real life there would be a railing, lol). Once the bombsite is populated with boxes it won't be as bad, either. After all, there's a big drop in Train, from the big ladder. And as j0lt says,

People play csp_train :P

By the way, I like your solution to the ramp problem. Looks very industrial.

[blackaddR]

The drop is pretty extreme, but for an oil rig setting it's kind of realistic (except maybe in real life there would be a railing, lol).


You could do a rail that goes across but damaged and bent outwards, allowing access to it.

like on this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lul60ixy_40 1:10

a bent hand rail maybe bent alot far forward to allow you go step over? or as though it has sheared in the middle? or even construction work on fixing a rail shown but with the missing peice and tool boxes on the floor by it.

Loads of ideas.

@ Vainglory - i've sent you a pm about the textures.

[Vainglory]

I fixed the height last night but forgot to post a screen. I'm gonna add railing but I'm not ready to yet.

[n69ky]

People play csp_train :P

wtf? csp_train is like bright as a flashlight compared to this :E

--- Update ---

i mean fleshlight! sorry!

[Vainglory]

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9943/tspawnlighting.th.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/tspawnlighting.jpg/)http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4959/heightfix1.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/heightfix1.jpg/)http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3545/heightfix2.th.jpg (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/heightfix2.jpg/)http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8549/heightfix3.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/heightfix3.jpg/)http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3236/heightfix4.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/heightfix4.jpg/)

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[downbad]

wtf? csp_train is like bright as a flashlight compared to this :E

--- Update ---

i mean fleshlight! sorry!

I believe he plans on adding alot of big flood lights (which are found on oilrigs for working 24 hrs a day) to give the daytime feeling. I think it will give the map a nice atmosphere.

[Vainglory]

I believe he plans on adding alot of big flood lights

This.

[n69ky]

well good to know :P

[mang]

By the way, lol at the window at T spawn looking into the new corridoor. Will you be able to awp CTs as they cross into site 1?

[Vainglory]

Yes. It will be like Dust 2 mid where you can shoot CT's crossing to b and they can shoot you.

[mang]

Yes. It will be like Dust 2 mid where you can shoot CT's crossing to b and they can shoot you.For some reason I find this prospect hilarious. It might not turn out to be a good thing though. Looking forward to playtesting. Can you also climb through the window?

[Vainglory]

Yup.

[downbad]

idk if you should be able to go through the window, but i guess we'll see in play testing :P

[Vainglory]

Do you guys care if you test the map without the textures added?

[blackaddR]

no, by all means Vainglory, give us a test ;) textures can wait after the map has been built properly.

[Vainglory]

Ok, let me finish up a couple things and I'll have the map up by the end of the night or early tomorrow.

[Vainglory]

How do I connect these? I've been trying for a while now but I can't get it even or straight. One is platform is higher up than the other, so the connecting piece is a ramp.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5931/howw.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/howw.jpg/)

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[Vainglory]

Any help? Please?

[fingerling123]

I think you should make your map in daylight and good lit rooms. Cause it's so hard to spot enemy's in night maps...

[Vainglory]

I made it daytime this morning. It looks really nice. I've been thinking of keeping it daytime.

[j0lt]

How do I connect these? I've been trying for a while now but I can't get it even or straight. One is platform is higher up than the other, so the connecting piece is a ramp.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5931/howw.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/howw.jpg/)

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That hammer grid looks quite messy, you should try and keep all the basic brushwork on a large grid, say 32-64 units, and start adding details at 16 unit grid and use even smaller grid for more detail.

[Vainglory]

I just wanna know how to connect the to platforms... :(

--- Update ---

Oh, and that's what I did do, j0lt. Banana looks messy because I'm really really bad at making ramps that are turned...

--- Update ---

Actually, all of banana is messy. I can't help it though. :\

[j0lt]

You shouldn't rotate them then, use the vertex and cut tools

[n69ky]

i use the morph tool quite often. but that needs severalhours to master 3.3

[Vainglory]

I've ran into several problems. I fix one thing and two things stop working, I attempt to fix those and two more things stop working. Gonna continue tomorrow....

[Vainglory]

I'm putting in lights right now, how do I get the maximum light from a light?

[n69ky]

255 255 255 2000 or so :E

wait, for what do you need this? :E

the fourth number is liek the strengh of the light? ;/ just try some diffrent values

[Vainglory]

wait, for what do you need this? :E

Indoor light.

[downbad]

wait, for what do you need this? :E


The correct way to say this is:
Wait, what do you need this for?

[Vainglory]

Lol, too much light?

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6919/toomuchz.th.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/toomuchz.jpg/)

[n69ky]

The correct way to say this is:
Wait, what do you need this for?

this


! ! ! ! ! engrish is not my optimal lasagne !

[Vainglory]

Is there a way I can light up an entire room with one thing? I'm currently lighting up the room with the light entity and it lights up a small area.

[downbad]

this

I know, thats why i'm helping you out. Really tho, just bustin your balls b/c u do it to everyone else ;)

/back to topic
Vain, have you been watching any tutorials on youtube?

[mang]

The correct way to say this is:
Wait, what do you need this for?n69ky's construction avoids ending with a preposition! :D

[downbad]

just trying to make him sound less Lickdickstienian.

[Vainglory]

I've finished up most of the textures.

I've been trying for about 30 minutes to try and get the rotated walkway to work. I haven't rotated it, just used vertex and clipping tool. But I've been running into a problem. Every time I run the map the middle of it disappears, I think I've figured out why, but I can't figure out how to solve it. I go into the walkway to view it and it looks like a very narrow diamond shape, I assume this is the reason it's been disappearing ingame. Can someone help me fix this? It's very frustrating.

Gonna go to bed. Hopefully I'll be able to fix the problem tomorrow and start to finish up the map. I'll leave you guys with a picture. ;)

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6879/midz.th.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/midz.jpg/)

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[j0lt]

I've finished up most of the textures.

I've been trying for about 30 minutes to try and get the rotated walkway to work. I haven't rotated it, just used vertex and clipping tool. But I've been running into a problem. Every time I run the map the middle of it disappears, I think I've figured out why, but I can't figure out how to solve it. I go into the walkway to view it and it looks like a very narrow diamond shape, I assume this is the reason it's been disappearing ingame. Can someone help me fix this? It's very frustrating.

Gonna go to bed. Hopefully I'll be able to fix the problem tomorrow and start to finish up the map. I'll leave you guys with a picture. ;)

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6879/midz.th.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/midz.jpg/)

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With all your vertexing and cutting you may have made a concave brush, which screws up pretty bad when compiled.

If you want I'll take a look at the GCF and help you with the troublesome section.

[n69ky]

Is there a way I can light up an entire room with one thing?

i don't have any lighting skill, thats I do make why outside maps, mapping I not inside. (!)

[Vainglory]

With all your vertexing and cutting you may have made a concave brush, which screws up pretty bad when compiled.

If you want I'll take a look at the GCF and help you with the troublesome section.

Ya, that'd be great. How do I send it to you?

[n69ky]

can you do something else too?
after you compiled the map (dont close the process window), can you press "copy to clipboard" and post it here? ... or better on http://www.pastebin.com and give the link?

[Vainglory]

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** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\tonyseven10\sourcesdk_conten t\cstrike\mapsrc\csp_dunno.bsp" "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\tonyseven10\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\csp_dunno.bsp"


** Executing...
** Command: c:\program files\steam\steam.exe
** Parameters: -applaunch 240 -game "c:\program files\steam\steamapps\tonyseven10\counter-strike source\cstrike" -toconsole -dev -console +sv_lan 1 +map "csp_dunno"

[n69ky]

okay this doesnt look bad :P

btw do you use "check for problems" sometimes?

[j0lt]

Ya, that'd be great. How do I send it to you?

Add me on steam, and I'll give you my email

http://steamcommunity.com/id/j0lt

[Vainglory]

Okay, I added you.

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okay this doesnt look bad :P

btw do you use "check for problems" sometimes?

No, I've never used that.

--- Update ---

Anyone know the model height when crouching?

[m0535]

less then 48 units for sure but i personally think its something about 34-40 units

hope i could help you

[tiger]

Anyone know the model height when crouching?

This is a bit complicated in CSP right now, I can't give you the details but I suggest you use 42 units or more (not the actual size of the model but you should use that for your map).

[Vainglory]

Thank you, tiger.

[fingerling123]

Any progress on the map? :)

[Vainglory]

Ya. I should be able to release the map for play testing within the next week.
;)

--- Update ---

Maybe in the next few days. Maybe less.

[blackaddR]

[/COLOR]Maybe in the next few days. Maybe less.

CSPromod dev syndrome ;)

[Vainglory]

If your name is here, check your inbox. I sent you the map for playtesting.

blackaddR
cryeR
Diablorunner
downbad
TheEA
Ganjahsoup
hxcguitarist
j0lt
madmax
mang
n69ky
smilesger
SpikeMeister
TheSimson
tiger
wHEElEr

--- Update ---

And don't worry about some of the textures. I still need to pretty the map up.

[n69ky]

oookaaayyy, first impression it should be okay, because the layout is mill/tuscan like

bugs: you have three stairs which are like 1 height and 1 width, try 1 height and 2 width.
try to keep the ramps same ratio in the whole map not make one 1:2 and another one 1:4 (not included ramps like 1:10 .. )
i hate it when you walk a ramp down and at the botom is a WALL or a BOX directly with no even ground before it, it just doesnt look good :) like this:

\|

try this

\_|

;)

well btw next time, place a sign on the floor so i actually can see where the bomspots are :E

[cryeR]

looks promising =)

[blackaddR]

I actually love this map so far. Layout is brilliant - as it is the similar layout to tuscan/mill etc (as n69ky said) but with the tweaks you have made, it does look very promising indeed!

Mega Kudos deserved.

[Vainglory]

oookaaayyy, first impression it should be okay, because the layout is mill/tuscan like

bugs: you have three stairs which are like 1 height and 1 width, try 1 height and 2 width.
try to keep the ramps same ratio in the whole map not make one 1:2 and another one 1:4 (not included ramps like 1:10 .. )
i hate it when you walk a ramp down and at the botom is a WALL or a BOX directly with no even ground before it, it just doesnt look good :) like this:

\|

try this

\_|

;)

well btw next time, place a sign on the floor so i actually can see where the bomspots are :E

Fixed the stairs and fixed the ramp box thing. I'll do the bombsite thing later. But there's not much I can do about the ramps, I'd have to change a lot of the layout.


I actually love this map so far. Layout is brilliant - as it is the similar layout to tuscan/mill etc (as n69ky said) but with the tweaks you have made, it does look very promising indeed!

Mega Kudos deserved.

Thank you so much! :D

[[EA]]

Dannnnng, I can see a lot of work went into this map. Here are some of my inputs:
-What are you going to do about the fall-off-able edges?
-You thinking about adding water? Going to be really harsh on my 8800GT or at least make it fry.
-I like the mid to spawns action, a lot of CTs or Ts are going to get AWPed within the first 10 seconds of the round. :-D
-Do you plan on making the doors louder?
-I think the ladders that lead to B are a tad bit too long.
-Is the third (top) red container going to be stackable?
-Something feels weird about the columns....... Maybe I had too much coffee today...

Like 1.04 this is going in the right direction. :-)
Looking forward to what you have to say.

[Diablorunner]

Appreciate you send me those fiiles Vainglory. I cant give you any feedback at the moment thoo, but im exited to watch how this thing of beauty looks like. I blaime W7, but stupid naive me thought it would be at least as good as XP prof, apparantly i had no clue or maybe im to n00b with such "new" things. Hopefully it (XP) appears in my mail post *IRL lul* in a couple of days, then i'll try this out with plain pleasure.

[n69ky]

what i forgot: do not make doors which need +use to open, all CS doors can be opened simply by touch

[hxcguitarist]

Ok Good start! Really like the layout.

BUT:

-Overwhelmingly large = Slow rotations (both on T and CT), no real fast action (besides mid), try scaling it down somehow (I'm not a mapper by anymeans haha)

-Mid needs some work. T's should not be able to spawn and then hold an angle automatically on mid. Should be the other way around.
-Take out the T Window, and move T spawn foward (towards the bombsites) so that T's and CT's can get to mid (safely) about at the same time. Maybe a slight advantage to the CT's, as this is the case in both Mill & Tuscan.
-Add some more cover in mid as well, so that rotations through it won't be too hard :)
-The crates (mid red-storagetanks) on CT side really decrease the amount of mobility/options CT's have. Maybe allow the CT's to climb on top of them? At least spread out the storagetanks so there's more of a gap between the right and left sides.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4645/cspoilrig2midedit.th.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/cspoilrig2midedit.jpg/)

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-Bombsites feel way too open (scaling the map down might help with this). Maybe add some immovable oilbarrel's? I dunno xD Just feels empty in both sites.
-Bombsite A has a massive drop height from balcony. Could get yourself killed by accident (reminds me of nuke lol)
-I would make Bombsite A a bit more "fun". Add another way to get to short besides the stairs (be creative not just crates :D)

Thats about it. The biggest issue with me again is the size of the map. It's just absolutely huge. 18 Seconds to get to both bombsite A and B without stopping, from T spawn. 15 seconds to go from bombsite A to B through back halls, 16 seconds through mid/short, and 19 seconds using balcony all without stopping/"shifting". Yeah it's a bit large ;)

Either way, you're doing a really good job on the layout. Definitely headed in the right direction. Be creative with this one. Thank you for allowing me to test it out. Please PM me again with the next major map update :)

[Vainglory]

Everyone testing this map, I forgot to add signs on which bombsite is which. But, outside bombsite is 1 (A) and inside bombsite is 2 (B).

Did some research on map rotation in 1.6 and then in oilrig2 on source.

csp_oilrig2 (Source)
It takes 17 seconds to get to bombsite 1 from t spawn. 8 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 9 seconds.
It takes 21 seconds to get to bombsite 2 from t spawn. 12 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 9 seconds.

de_cpl_mill (1.6)
16 seconds to get to bombsite 1 from t spawn. 8 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 8 seconds.
20 seconds to get to bombsite 2 from t spawn. 13 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 7 seconds.

de_dust2 (1.6)
21 seconds to get to bombsite A from t spawn. 7 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 14 seconds.
18 seconds to get to bombsite B from t spawn. 9 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 9 seconds.

de_inferno (1.6)
18 seconds to get to bombsite A from t spawn. 9 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 9 seconds.
19 seconds to get to bombsite B from t spawn. 10 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 9 seconds.

de_nuke (1.6)
17 seconds to get to bombsite A from t spawn. 14 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 3 seconds.
25 seconds to get to bombsite B from t spawn. 19 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 6 seconds.

de_train (1.6)
16 seconds to get to bombsite A from t spawn. 7 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 9 seconds.
18 seconds to get to bombsite B from t spawn. 8 seconds from ct spawn. Difference of 10 seconds.

As you can see from de_cpl_mill, everything but ct spawn to 1 went up only 1 second.


-What are you going to do about the fall-off-able edges?
I assume you mean the outside ramp leading down to 2? I'll probably add railing, It's kind of hard doing railing on a slanted ramp.


-You thinking about adding water? Going to be really harsh on my 8800GT or at least make it fry.
Yes. I'm going to be adding water when I near completion. It will be in a 3d skybox so you shouldn't worry about your gfx card.


-Do you plan on making the doors louder?
I might. If people tell me if I should then I will, otherwise, I wont.


-I think the ladders that lead to B are a tad bit too long.
Eh? Where is that?


-Is the third (top) red container going to be stackable?
No. If people got there they'd be able to see almost the entire map.

--- Update ---


what i forgot: do not make doors which need +use to open, all CS doors can be opened simply by touch

I'll get right on that.

--- Update ---


-Overwhelmingly large = Slow rotations (both on T and CT), no real fast action (besides mid), try scaling it down somehow (I'm not a mapper by anymeans haha)
Going to keep the map the same size.


-Mid needs some work. T's should not be able to spawn and then hold an angle automatically on mid. Should be the other way around.
If more people feel the same way, I'll remove mid.


-Take out the T Window, and move T spawn foward (towards the bombsites) so that T's and CT's can get to mid (safely) about at the same time. Maybe a slight advantage to the CT's, as this is the case in both Mill & Tuscan.
Again, if more people feel the same way.


-Add some more cover in mid as well, so that rotations through it won't be too hard :)
I'll try.


-The crates (mid red-storagetanks) on CT side really decrease the amount of mobility/options CT's have. Maybe allow the CT's to climb on top of them? At least spread out the storagetanks so there's more of a gap between the right and left sides.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4645/cspoilrig2midedit.th.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/cspoilrig2midedit.jpg/)
Sounds reasonable.


-Bombsites feel way too open (scaling the map down might help with this). Maybe add some immovable oilbarrel's? I dunno xD Just feels empty in both sites.
I'll probably add some more stuff.


-Bombsite A has a massive drop height from balcony. Could get yourself killed by accident (reminds me of nuke lol)
Bombsite 2 (B*) I'll experiment with shorter heights.


-I would make Bombsite A a bit more "fun". Add another way to get to short besides the stairs (be creative not just crates :D)
I'll experiment on this too.

[n69ky]

nice to hear that :) looking forward to the next version :)

[m0535]

pl0x moar screeniez :P

because me has no source >_<
thxthx

[hxcguitarist]

Hmm I guess I should of opened up 1.6 and compared the two myself xD I didn't realize they were that close in timings. I guess I'm used to the CS:Source variants. Again, let me in on the next Beta Testing Release :) It was great running around on your map.

[cryeR]

pl0x moar screeniez :P

because me has no source >_<
thxthx

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5947/cspoilrig2beta0000.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5841/cspoilrig2beta0001.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4012/cspoilrig2beta0002.jpg
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1899/cspoilrig2beta0003.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9417/cspoilrig2beta0004.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6696/cspoilrig2beta0005.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6462/cspoilrig2beta0006.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1980/cspoilrig2beta0007.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3466/cspoilrig2beta0008.jpg

[blackaddR]

i do think windows, offices, doors, rooms etc do need to be included upon finishing for detail ;)

[m0535]

some of the ramps look pretty steep
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3466/cspoilrig2beta0008.jpg
>>will be hard to aim because of displacement...

[Vainglory]

Anyone know where I can get an oil drill model?

[SjN]

Screens are looking great. Can't wait to play this map @ b1.05, gj man

[wHEElEr]

vain, check ur pm and hit me up on steam when u get the chance.

the map is absolutely lovely, got a few ideas for it tho :)

[Vainglory]

vain, check ur pm and hit me up on steam when u get the chance.

the map is absolutely lovely, got a few ideas for it tho :)

Hey wheeler check your inbox. I added you.

[Vainglory]

What else should I add to this room?

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1273/sdsadsd.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/sdsadsd.jpg/)http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/107/fffflc.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/fffflc.jpg/)

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[cryeR]

inspire yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C0alZFxk_Q

[blackaddR]

pipes and valves ;) (as discussed on steam)

[Diablorunner]

~Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h28wfcqdpk&feature=related
~Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7GzJR0XD5Y&feature=related
~Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_FQ_LPUyfE&feature=related
~Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw1cVRBhib8&feature=related

Some glimpses from worlds tallest oil platform, Troll (is actually the name). 1500 feet tall, with a depth reaching over 900 feet/300 meters down to the sea bed (ofc counting from water surface). Just jump a bit forward on the display bar when you notice its getting to chatty and off-topic every now and then. Its not much but fingers crossed this can help you just a little with those oil platform environments.

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Look at 1.6 de_nuke, concept at upper bombspot with all the thin bars and pipes hanging above and across the bombspot. Perhaps you can do something simulair but with a pretty much genuine oil rig touch, wich in this case should include "pipelineclimbing" the walls aswell ofc, find a nice balance there, its hard but imagionation is on your side (thick sturdy pipelines, etc). One concept i had in mind aswell is installing a grill on the floor where you can sneak through it from SOME certain angles without overdo anything, keep a competitive balance with this but still creative isnt easy as mentioned, sometimes less is more and sometimes you simply need more additions as stimulating tool and variations... ye u know the drill.

[downbad]

Add parts where the footsteps sound like the metal floors in lower bombsite on nuke. This can add another dimension to the strategies in this map. Sry I haven't played your map yet but my gfx card shit out on me (damn dust!).

[Diablorunner]

A medium large-sized grill (not to big *loL*) or some smaller OasisLike ones would fit best beneth the mill/tuscan -influenced bombspot imo. Make 1 or 2 small broken openings in it where you can throw some flashes/HE's or whatever. And make sure the sunlight penetrates that cellarfloor space mixed with all the grill shadows.

[blackaddR]

I think i've fixed the helipad texture and the decal to go with it. Message me on steam, Vain'.

[Vainglory]

Look what blackaddR made for me! :D
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9236/helipad.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/helipad.jpg/)

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[blackaddR]

think it might want to be the other way round ;) are the railings still there? can't see them in that pic

[Vainglory]

Not gonna be released before 1.05 release date. Sorry.

[Tar]

Hi Vain, in the first picture, the side entrance to bombsite doesn't look right (to me)- what about making it more "unplanned"? I mean, who would make such entrance there?

But nice map!

[Vainglory]

What bombsite? Please be more specific.

[Tar]

Sorry.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1273/sdsadsd.jpg
This picture you posted earlier. Or is it not a bombsite? There is number 2 on layout, isn't there?

[Vainglory]

Ohhh... What side entrance?

[Tar]

The smaller one on the left.

[Vainglory]

Ok, now what do you mean by unplanned?

[Tar]

I must look like an idiot now...

Unplanned. Look at Dust2, at the hole between mid and B. Imagine being the one who build that village. It's obvious you didn't plan that. Something like that- maybe you could add a crumbled wall.

Or just forget about it and pretend I said nothing.

Oh, BTW, I recommend http://www.johnsto.co.uk/blog/

[Vainglory]

Hmm, I don't know if a crumbled wall would work, being that an oilrig is made of metal. XD

[SjN]

maybe walls are rusted through? don't think oilrigs are made of stainless steel ;)

[blackaddR]

i do plan on adding rust detail to the walls and there are concrete walls on the out side of the oil-rig. If you want to know the basic idea behind this map, look at the textures from 1.6 oilrig - textures will based on those but made to suit the source engine.

[Vainglory]

It's gonna be sexy.

[blackaddR]

Check your inbox, Vain'.

[Vainglory]

Check out three of the wall textures black made for me! They're all stacked.
What do you guys think? I like them.

Thanks black!

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/279/72653373.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/72653373.jpg/)

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--- Update ---

Oh, and you can also see the floor texture he made too.

[MaveN]

i wanna test. msg pls

[Vainglory]

test what? the map or the textures?

[m0535]

looks a bit comic/not really realistic(hope you know what i mean, im german..) and reminds me of borderlands in a good way ;)

[Vainglory]

looks a bit comic/not really realistic(hope you know what i mean, im german..) and reminds me of borderlands in a good way ;)

Ya, I see what you mean. I think it's the bolts, the outlines of them might be a little too thick.

[[EA]]

Nice textures blackaddR. Yea, it does look like Borderlands.

Rusty rusty rusty.

[MaveN]

test what? the map or the textures?
map

[Vainglory]

map

I actually can't. The one in the screen shot I'm starting it from scratch specifically for the textures and It's not even ready for anyone to play. The one I sent out to people, I've added on and I don't really want anyone to play that.

Sorry.

[MaveN]

no problem. i'm just the man for neutral decisions and feedback
juz call meh

[blackaddR]

some alterations do need to be made, as i've discovered..

[blackaddR]

I need you guys, your opinion on these corrugated floor textures. Too much rust? i wanted to add a bit of colour, seeing as it has been mentioned there isn't enough in the stock maps ;)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6641/cspoilrig20001.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/cspoilrig20001.jpg/)

[downbad]

maybe a little less rust, and those are usually staggered rectangles, not squares like tiles

[hxcguitarist]

maybe a little less rust, and those are usually staggered rectangles, not squares like tiles
Agreed. Just a little less rust. How about salt build up (I dunno haha)?

[Mith]

why is imageshack so shitty

it used to be dope, nowadays you have to click an image like 100 fucking times for it to zoom in completely, and you get 10 ads each time you do it
everyone should just man the fuck up and use dropbox imo

anyways on topic I find both textures to be p. awesome, granted I'm really easy to please when it comes to those things

[[EA]]

Actually I say it's enough rust. IMHO leave as is.

[Vainglory]

why is imageshack so shitty

it used to be dope, nowadays you have to click an image like 100 fucking times for it to zoom in completely, and you get 10 ads each time you do it
everyone should just man the fuck up and use dropbox imo

Right click; view image?

[n69ky]

THIS FLOOR IS PERFECT THO !!! :e

but the wall texture needs some "tweak"

[wHEElEr]

the ground looks great, werk more on the walls and the environment :X

[blackaddR]

http://img407.imageshack.us/g/cspoilrig20004.jpg/

I've staggered the floor platforms - Let me know what you think.

Also, let me know what you think of the ramp textures. Thanks

[n69ky]

the floor looks awesome :)

the ramp is not bad man, but it is a bit boring :D i'd prefer something like this http://www.autoshippingfinder.com/vehicle-shipping-gallery/transport-ramp.jpg

[downbad]

yep, floor looks great!

[mang]

Just looked at the layout again, and I'm wondering how much of bombsite 1 will be open to the water? Could be really interesting if you can see parts of it from CT spawn (although perhaps difficult to balance).

[Vainglory]

No, you can't see either bombsite looking over any water. I made sure of that.

[Diablorunner]

What else should I add to this room?

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1273/sdsadsd.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/sdsadsd.jpg/)http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/107/fffflc.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/fffflc.jpg/)

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You can place a thick and sturdy pipeline near the corner (consequently a bit lower before it is reaching near the roof as its eventually merging with the main system pipeline patterns) to match it with a pretty difficult jump from the rail. A jump something simular with that much discussed "inferno jump" from rail to box or something simuliar with the "red rock jump" on nuke. Place a box or just an *olirig-themed* object below it to reduce the fall dmg, just in case if you miss the tricky jump.

--- Update ---

...and speaking about pipelines, perhaps at some places and in some parts you can add an inside crouching option. Withiout turning it into a "mazy affair".

[blackaddR]

Just for you n69ky ;)

Let me know what you guys think. I have got a feeling there maybe a little too much rust :) haha

http://img26.imageshack.us/g/cspoilrig20009.jpg/

[downbad]

dont go too crazy with the rust. Oil rigs are made with galvanized steel/aluminum and almost everything painted. That metal in nooky's pic doesnt rust.

ETA:
thats if you're trying to be somewhat realistic.

[[EA]]

Too much rust, do not like.

[blackaddR]

dont go too crazy with the rust. Oil rigs are made with galvanized steel/aluminum and almost everything painted. That metal in nooky's pic doesnt rust.

ETA:
thats if you're trying to be somewhat realistic.

Being a mechanical engineer myself, i'm aware of what rusts ;) tbh, the pictures of the ramps - i made look rusty to see the blend of the floor to the ramp.

How about this then?

http://img42.imageshack.us/g/cspoilrig20013.jpg/

About the ETA on map completion - depends on Vain' wanting nothing but custom textures.

[mang]

About the ETA on map completion - depends on Vain' wanting nothing but custom textures.Release the map before completing the texturing imo, I think it would benefit from playtesting.

[Vainglory]

Release the map before completing the texturing imo, I think it would benefit from playtesting.

I already released the map for playtesting. I sent out the map to 16 people. Fixed and added almost everything they wanted. Gonna release this one for playtesting when textures are finished. I can still tweak it afterwords for other stuff.

--- Update ---

Oh, and the ramp with less rust looks great, black.

[downbad]

Being a mechanical engineer myself, i'm aware of what rusts ;)

And then you make it rust ;)

[Diablorunner]

But it's an abandoned oilrig ? ;) poor maintance.

Ik liek dies maap. Huge potentialES.

[[EA]]

lol csp_bp

[Vainglory]

Ik liek dies maap. Huge potentialES.

Thank you! ^_^

[n69ky]

okay black i think the rust ist good in the second picture.

for the mapper i have this idea:

red are 3 "beams" or something , just to break the repetive :O
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/723/pr7889820.jpg


in the "non"rusty picture you could do left and right a beam ^^


just a idea-..


---------

edit:
the rust you see on stainless steel is metallic dust or something which rusts, doesnt mean the metal is damaged just because there is rust :P

[Diablorunner]

Usually like 75%-80% (or something) of the rust is primary located where the steel disks connects,- around the tiny gap along the edges? consequently irregular lines where the rain or other moisture gathers the most and for longest time.

--- Update ---

almost like a camoflague pattern but more sharper and thinner lines (but sometimes still irregular) usually along the steel disk edges....hmm I dont know how to explain this better.

[blackaddR]

so what we saying?

-ramps with rust? or
-ramps without (2nd set of pics)
-both?

I like beam idea. A shame mine and vain's time zones are completely opposite :(

[n69ky]

w/o rust especialy ramps should be rustfree because there practically never is water ;)

[blackaddR]

Ok i've got 2 versions in which i hope is included within the map. The normal metal one (i've decreased the rust slightly) and a chipped away, green painted one. Let me know what you think. Your opinions really do matter.

http://img819.imageshack.us/g/cspoilrig20016.jpg/

[Vainglory]

That's quite a lot of green on the green one.

I don't even know where I'd put it...

[blackaddR]

its only a lot of green because of the huge wide open area of floor. I was thinking more along the lines of suiting it around B or A storage etc.

[wHEElEr]

desaturdate it about 1200% :p

[n69ky]

what scale are this textures in game? :E

[Vainglory]

I think they're all 512x512

[cryeR]

Ok i've got 2 versions in which i hope is included within the map. The normal metal one (i've decreased the rust slightly) and a chipped away, green painted one. Let me know what you think. Your opinions really do matter.

http://img819.imageshack.us/g/cspoilrig20016.jpg/
make them look more used like this http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2075/cspforge0000.jpg

[blackaddR]

there is an indoor set and an outside set, the outside has rust, and obviously indoor is w/o. i don't really want to make them all 'used and abused' like valve's. trying to keep it a bit 1.6 originated, even though i despise against it ;)

[blackaddR]

What do you guys think about this for the 64x64 crate (boxes around the map) textures?

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2503/boxac.jpg (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/boxac.jpg/)

*still WiP*

[Vainglory]

Oh man, I love it! Can't wait to use!

[mang]

Just noticed the PM with the map download in it Vainglory, looks pretty good so far. The sniper lane down the middle actually looks like it'll work quite well. I'll try and come up with some more useful feedback later, if I can think of some.

[blackaddR]

Well, been spending alot of tiring hours trying to get these too look right. The link below shows some of the textures that are likely to be in the map build up. Please let me know of your thoughts on the textures and your opinions/suggestions to improve upon them. *Note* the boxes are the standard 64x64 boxes that will appear around the map. Thanks.

http://img52.imageshack.us/g/cspoilrig240000.jpg/

[m0535]

single crates look great but you need to make them stack(?) better so you can see where a new crate begins when having multiple crates in a row..

[blackaddR]

they will be stacked. They are just examples of the boxes. Do not worry about that fine detail ;)

[Vainglory]

Wow, a lot of your textures are missing O.o

[blackaddR]

recent update*


started to re-do the boxes:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6969/newbox.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/i/newbox.jpg/)

Let me know what you think (still work in progress).

Note* All textures are made from scratch.

[smartin]

british_petroleum
sign me up for playtesting!

[Improved]

recent update*


started to re-do the boxes:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6969/newbox.jpg

Let me know what you think (still work in progress).

Note* All textures are made from scratch.

Why dont u apply for the texture artist position for CSP?

[MaveN]

Why dont u apply for the texture artist position for CSP?
look at the texture. thats why

[TUROcKdev]

the image resolution is to small or the box is to big ;) dont know whats better :D

[blackaddR]

Why dont u apply for the texture artist position for CSP?

Who says i haven't?


look at the texture. thats why

Never seen galvenised metal before?... I know some Germans are arrogant, as a general rule, but please get a hint from the Work In Progress bit.


the image resolution is to small or the box is to big ;) dont know whats better :D

You can adjust the size to fit the box models :)

[m0535]

Never seen galvenised metal before?... I know some Germans are arrogant, as a general rule, but please get a hint from the Work In Progress bit.



don't get racist I'm german, too and super kind! :(

[blackaddR]

don't get racist I'm german, too and super kind! :(

I apologise, i'm not racist and i don't hate Germans, but it was an arrogant comment made.

[MaveN]

I apologise, i'm not racist and i don't hate Germans, but it was an arrogant comment made.
i'm not "arrogant as a general rule"
just that you know that

[blackaddR]

Please..let's not have an international dispute on the internet...

Anyway to update those who are trial testing the map, you should be getting an update soon.

[Improved]

Talk about talking compliments the wrong way, seems someone needs to lighten up. And good for you that have you applied for the texture artist spot, I genuine think you have potential.

And btw, dont get all defensive, ANY kind of critisms is good critisms, thats how you improve, like, there is no such thing as bad press because everything can be turned around to something positive. And I would assume that the CSP team need people who are able to take any kind of critisism, even the non so productive type.

It's how you deal with it.

[blackaddR]

Please don't get me wrong :) i'm open to all types of criticism. 'tis why i put up images to let people tell me what needs improving.

Sorry for giving off the wrong impressions ;)

P.s

Thanks the compliment.

[Vainglory]

Moved into new house and just got internet turned on. Gonna start working on the map again!

[[EA]]

Sweet, should we expect a new build anytime soon?

[Vainglory]

Sweet, should we expect a new build anytime soon?

I'm currently working on the map right now. I'd say I'm about 75% done with the brushwork. Textures are at 1%. I might be able to have the next build out by the end of this month.

--- Update ---

I've made some pretty significant changes, the entire map is pretty much leveled out besides 48 units between each ground level (looks and feels great on 1.05.) I still need to work on some minor details in the brushwork "area," but after that I should be 100% and will be able to move on to textures.

[blackaddR]

lol vain', textures are at 35% Its hard when i haven't got a map to test the textures on ;)

[Vainglory]

No, I meant applying the textures.

[blackaddR]

Just a quick update. List some improvements if you would:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8553/likeb.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/likeb.jpg/)

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8615/likef.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/likef.jpg/)

[m0535]

your stripes suck, doesnt fit right and look comic-like

[blackaddR]

Forget the weird girl in the back ground, but i think it looks ok on the first pic. I hadn't added any detail on the 2nd (WiP).

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/89901273.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=B53F616F4B95E55386F3D701B90351DF1216EC1B8315B37A 3A26656FCAFCB2CBE30A760B0D811297

[n69ky]

cant see

[blackaddR]

really? its right there?

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8553/likeb.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8615/likef.jpg

[Diablorunner]

grrrt wrk blckddR!

[blackaddR]

littlest of little peaks:

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3594/cspoilrig2140000.jpg (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/cspoilrig2140000.jpg/)
http://img545.imageshack.us/i/cspoilrig2140000.jpg/

[blackaddR]

I think this map has been cancelled...lol

[Diablorunner]

why !s d47 ?

[[EA]]

I think this map has been cancelled...lol

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... rry?

[blackaddR]

Vainglory, whom is making the map, has decided to remove me from steam, but before doing so, hadn't really spent time doing work on the map anyway....lol I might try and attempt to do this map myself, however. I didn't make all these custom textures for no f***ing reason..

[Improved]

I would be happy to work with you blackaddR.

Who am I?

I started mapping around 2001, made several aim/fy maps back then but never published them, they were only made to play with friends. That soon changed when I started playing in a really good cs community. I was part of that community for around 5 years until it closed down. Throughout my stay there I made serveral defusion maps for cs1.6/cs:cz. Some maps are still played in other cs communities, my work include de_alegro, de_mjolby_remake, de_rush and de_valpo.

If you are interested in working together, let me know. Either send me a pm or answer in this thread.

Don't have time to post screenshots but what I can do is give you the link to my mappack.

Download: Pirogen Productions Mappack (http://www.speedyshare.com/files/26794243/Pirogen_Productions_Mappack.zip)

Waiting for your answer.

[blackaddR]

Check your PMs' mate :)