Beta Testing Diary [October 25]

[doublethink]

It was crazy last month with the website release. Its time for another one of these. :D

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Alba had been crying for like a year that he wanted his 1.6 style crosshair scope implemented, and mizzack finally had some free time to make it happen for him.

This is selectable via a console command: cl_classic_scope 0/1

http://cspromod.com/images/media/screenshots/csp_hud_005.jpg

You'll also notice in that one he has the grenade bar hidden via the console command as well as the team info (players).

hud_grenadesbar
hud_teaminfos

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I also added a command to silence the click that happens on text chat, which some players didn't want:

hud_chatsound

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A huge feature which is difficult to show with pictures we added is the ability to spam through model entities. Basically the wall spam code now allows the bullets to penetrate static props. Amogan spent a good amount of time figuring out how to make this work.

Our mapper cashed is now free to use whatever items he wishes in maps, without worrying about gameplay. Models for crates, train cars, pipes, pretty much whatever would be better suited as a model, can now be one. A good example of a trouble spot in our maps was the wheel sections of all the train cars were not spammable. Now they are :D

It opened up a lot of possibilities on csp_season as well, since that features a great deal of models in it, as it was originally designed for CS:S.

We aren't totally done working with the spam code, but right now its consistent and fair, which we like. With a few more tweaks it should be pretty exact to cs 1.6 behavior.

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Many months ago, when I first started with CSP, one of my earliest friends on the beta team was smartin. He had a good eye for cs and favored 1.5, as I do. Once I started doing dev work, he came to me on IRC and said:

"Hey Mike, why doesn't CSP have ViewBob like 1.6 does?"

and I said, "What?"

After playing this game on and off for about 10 years, I never noticed there is a 3-4 unit up and down cycle to EyeAngle vector.

After a bunch of testing on the developer maps, I measured how much it should move, and how fast. It is in sync with the weapon bobbing. This is another feature on a long list of things not found in CS:S. Perhaps they didn't have time, didn't care, whatever the case may be I wanted this once I knew it was important to people. I coded this one, with amogans help.

I've taken some screenshots to show you how this works.

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/viewbob_01.jpg

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/viewbob_02.jpg

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/viewbob_03.jpg

Thats done without moving the mouse or changing anything, only left/right straife along that wall. Its gives a pseudo illusion to vertical movement that would happen if you were actually running and has a nice 1.6 feel to it.

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Alba also took a few more screens for you guys showing other hud states.

This shows the weapon selection screen up top, and the full mode for the players by the clock:

http://cspromod.com/images/media/screenshots/csp_hud_006.jpg

This one shows the buyzone features:

http://cspromod.com/images/media/screenshots/csp_hud_007.jpg

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Another small feature I added this week was the ability to use old school style headshot death messages.
cl_classic_deathmessage controls this, took a screen to show it, it should also have a black border, its a WIP but its just a small touch for those who wanted it.

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/classic_headshot.jpg

UPDATE: finished this:

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/classic_headshot2.jpg

Another cool thing we have that I wanted to mention here is the ability to show an entire ace, up to 5 on the death messages. Assuming it happens fast enough, you can have some pretty epic screenshots. :)

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Well, that about does it for now, I gotta get back to work.

Until next time, pz
:ugeek:

[sevoii]

Quickly gonna go get some pop corn, BRB.

[alba]

About time MikeyMikey! Good job :°)

[Twelve-60]

Woo! Great job :)

- Twelve-60

[bringerofwar]

GREAT! Can't wait to play 1.04!!!!!!

[Spritz]

TY :O! But how does that bop not interfere with aiming?

[leffix]

Good read :) Thanks for the update!

[warri]

Very Nice Alba, i cant wait to play 1.04! Keep up the good work. The HUD looks Amazing!

[Fal]

crazy good :D I love 1.04

[doublethink]

TY :O! But how does that bop not interfere with aiming?

Its done the same way as 1.6 and it doesn't affect aiming. Don't worry!

[katzen]

Viewbobbing = meh.
Apart from that I've got a question: Is litterally everything in 1.6 wallbangable ? I just find it odd that even trainwheels are spammable :) (not that I care, I'm just curious).

Keep up the good work!

[donlan]

No mention of the viewpunch modifications which were being raved about on the twitter page a week ago..

[v1lero]

good job

[Lyken]

If the devs ever need a quick blowjob, im here for you.

[MaveN]

cl_classic_deathmessage controls this, took a screen to show it, it should also have a black border, its a WIP but its just a small touch for those who wanted it.
that's great!! can't wait.. ahh need weed to calm down

[rvT]

HUD is just awesome! Alba gr8 work! fresh and nice looking HUD <3 Guys keep up the work! Can't wait for 1.04 ;D

[donlan]

You can't show viewpunch stuff with screenshot or text, it has to be video since you can't get the feeling of that any other way. Hence why it's not mentioned but I guess Mike could add it if you really want it lol.

Should made myself clearer, I meant that it could of been mentioned just so people know it has been worked on because there's not been an official mention of it in a news post that I can remember.

Someting like "In other news, we've been able to start matching the viewpunch from 1.6 and we're now replicating this in promod" is what I meant.

[wtfpwnage]

Good work

[madmax]

If the devs ever need a quick blowjob, im here for you.
lollollollollollollollol :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MaveN]

If the devs ever need a quick blowjob, im here for you.
lollollollollollollollol :lol: :lol: :lol:
how could i overread that? :lol:

[Dave]

ok so i saw the awp scope and now i have to clean my keyboard up.

thanks dev team.

[doublethink]

You can't show viewpunch stuff with screenshot or text, it has to be video since you can't get the feeling of that any other way. Hence why it's not mentioned but I guess Mike could add it if you really want it lol.

Should made myself clearer, I meant that it could of been mentioned just so people know it has been worked on because there's not been an official mention of it in a news post that I can remember.

Someting like "In other news, we've been able to start matching the viewpunch from 1.6 and we're now replicating this in promod" is what I meant.

We don't have to mention it yet because its not finished, and I will talk about it when its done. Not everything from twitter needs to be plastered all over the place.

Alba, I was trying to quote your post and hit the delete instead, sorry!!! :oops:

[hxcguitarist]

Good stuff :D Like one of the person's above me, I am also interested in the punch/spread tweaks that have been done with guns lately. I would love to see a quick 2 minute video on it :D

[context]

Good stuff :D Like one of the person's above me, I am also interested in the punch/spread tweaks that have been done with guns lately. I would love to see a quick 2 minute video on it :D

Beta > video imo D:

[hxcguitarist]

Good stuff :D Like one of the person's above me, I am also interested in the punch/spread tweaks that have been done with guns lately. I would love to see a quick 2 minute video on it :D

Beta > video imo D:

Yeah, a lot of people would agree, but the dev team is less likely to do that I believe. Plus, gun handling, firing, and the punch/spread of the bullets of those guns are by far the biggest "thing" for me on CSPromod.

[nightvenom]

Very nice.

[ColdSauce]

woah :D very very nice! Can't wait for 1.04 !

But ive got a question:

Can you make a list of the current tasks? So we know a bit more <:

[Spritz]

Viewbobbing = meh.
Apart from that I've got a question: Is litterally everything in 1.6 wallbangable ? I just find it odd that even trainwheels are spammable :) (not that I care, I'm just curious).

Keep up the good work!

Yes it is, idd 1.6 isn't that realistic :P.

But it isn't possible to wallbang with the weaker guns. Like the mp5 and the pistols. (correct me if I'm wrong, it's 2 years ago for me)

[Mith]

Any obstacle is spammable in 1.6 with a high-calibre gun (that's excluding all pistols except the deagle, all SMGs, all shotguns, etc.), except the awp, which can spam through 2 obstacles.

If there are two crates or doors, no matter how thin they are, the bullets will only go through the first one, unless you're shooting with an awp, and the same thing goes for thick objects. If you shoot through a very thick wall with a rifle, no matter how thick it is, the bullets will go through as long as it's a single "object"; the damage is dependable on the thickness of the obstacle though, so if it's too thick the damage might be very low or even nonexistent (so there are walls that are too thick to be spammable with rifles).

[SecreT]

What you gonna do about the boxes on de_dust in the catas and d2 on that weren't spammable in 1.6?

[[EA]]

What you gonna do about the boxes on de_dust in the catas and d2 on that weren't spammable in 1.6?

Oh, those are spammable. :o

[Matuka]

Is there a certain command to toggle on/off the new View-Bobbing feature? Cause it could get annoying. ^_^

[andeh]

Looking great as always.

The season overlay looks awesome as well.

[mang]

Wow, I clicked this thread earlier today and read the second page without realising it was a new dev log. The new HUD looks much better the second time around, which means I'm getting used to it already I suppose (not that I ever suspected I wouldn't).

Also I'm pleased to be reminded about the 5 spaces for simultaneously displaying kills, this is something I suggested a long time ago and I was told it was already in CSP (I think it may have been on b1.03?), so I forgot about it, but it's a really clever little visual change which I think will be widely appreciated.

[Mith]

That brings up the question: has anyone really aced the other team that fast in a beta-testing scrim? Would be cool to get a screenshot from that.

Or you could just kill 5 afk guys, whatever :P.

[Nuggeh]

gj guys (; nice to see ure in progress

Yo guys keep working!

[motomike]

<3 you mike!

[Step]

Thanks for the update and keep up the good work CSP team :D

[haGisson]

good job!
can't wait for the recoil video :)

[Lordearon]

Nice post, the radar on the scoped pic looks a bit weird, I guess it's because that map doesn't have a 2D radar backgr yet?
*EDIT* realized it's a hud setting for the opaque radar... nice.... it's a cvar (I prefer the new style though)


Any obstacle is spammable in 1.6 with a high-calibre gun (that's excluding all pistols except the deagle, all SMGs, all shotguns, etc.), except the awp, which can spam through 2 obstacles.

If there are two crates or doors, no matter how thin they are, the bullets will only go through the first one, unless you're shooting with an awp, and the same thing goes for thick objects. If you shoot through a very thick wall with a rifle, no matter how thick it is, the bullets will go through as long as it's a single "object"; the damage is dependable on the thickness of the obstacle though, so if it's too thick the damage might be very low or even nonexistent (so there are walls that are too thick to be spammable with rifles).

It really depends on how the map was compiled, some walls are very thin but can't be spammed, while others are very thick but can be spammed easily. I read an explanation about it some time ago, but don't remember everything clearly. Adding a box on 1 side of the map can cause the whole map to be re-divided and some walls to become unspammable. The bsp compiler merges some objects that might look seperate, so even those wallbangs you can't really see unless you test them out yourself.

as for the penetration, I believe the p90 (SMG) also penetrates - but who cares really - it depends on ammo type. awm & deag share the ammo type, which is why the deagle can penetrate. (not in real life, just in cs)

(other guns that share ammo type are: UMP/USP - MP5/glock - famas/m4)
trivia: P90 is belgian btw, just like the para. FN = fabrique nationale in Herstal

[NextToGOD]

Man, just wanted to drop by and say keep up the good work. You guyz are awsome for making such an effort with this project and giving it all youve got and its just a blessing to have you guys still working on yours and ours dreams to keep this one and only goddamn best game alive. Respect and love yall

[phreaK]

season is way too colorless xP
otherwise looks good.

[doublethink]

Nice post, the radar on the scoped pic looks a bit weird, I guess it's because that map doesn't have a 2D radar backgr yet?
*EDIT* realized it's a hud setting for the opaque radar... nice.... it's a cvar (I prefer the new style though)


Any obstacle is spammable in 1.6 with a high-calibre gun (that's excluding all pistols except the deagle, all SMGs, all shotguns, etc.), except the awp, which can spam through 2 obstacles.

If there are two crates or doors, no matter how thin they are, the bullets will only go through the first one, unless you're shooting with an awp, and the same thing goes for thick objects. If you shoot through a very thick wall with a rifle, no matter how thick it is, the bullets will go through as long as it's a single "object"; the damage is dependable on the thickness of the obstacle though, so if it's too thick the damage might be very low or even nonexistent (so there are walls that are too thick to be spammable with rifles).

It really depends on how the map was compiled, some walls are very thin but can't be spammed, while others are very thick but can be spammed easily. I read an explanation about it some time ago, but don't remember everything clearly. Adding a box on 1 side of the map can cause the whole map to be re-divided and some walls to become unspammable. The bsp compiler merges some objects that might look seperate, so even those wallbangs you can't really see unless you test them out yourself.

as for the penetration, I believe the p90 (SMG) also penetrates - but who cares really - it depends on ammo type. awm & deag share the ammo type, which is why the deagle can penetrate. (not in real life, just in cs)

(other guns that share ammo type are: UMP/USP - MP5/glock - famas/m4)
trivia: P90 is belgian btw, just like the para. FN = fabrique nationale in Herstal

This is correct, it has to do with how the map is made, sometimes walls are very complex despite being thin, and this can affect spams.

[ZeroKiller]

Sexy dev log.

[element13]

Awww, alba's a cry baby... :cry:
j/k

Good job guys! :D

[y33]

woot

[BGS]

haha sweet updates!!!

http://www.esportsea.com/index.php?s=do ... w&id=16064 (http://www.esportsea.com/index.php?s=downloads&d=view&id=16064)

my teammates ace woulda shown up on the screen then! haha

[redex]

Glad to hear about developing progress. Is current beta playable compering to 1.03?

[gregggggg]

good stuff :D

lookin forward to 1.04!

[Homicide]

Im curious, how long does it take to compile CSP?

[j0lt]

Nice log Mike, an impressive list of improvements there.

[smartin]

Good job mikey!

To those of you who say that the viewbob is something new and weird, it's not. It's been in counter-strike for as long as I can remember. Seriously, when you play 1.6, do you feel like it's an annoying thing? To be honest it just adds a more polished feel and depth to the regular bobcycle. Without it, the game feels a lot more "homemade".

As you can see, it's not very noticeable:

After playing this game on and off for about 10 years, I never noticed there is a 3-4 unit up and down cycle to EyeAngle vector.
Subconsciously though, it does a lot.

[SirLuke10]

so there's no cl_bob 0 or whatever it used to be?

It's annoying ;p playing with cl_bob 0 cl_bobcycle 0 (I think his too?)

[[EA]]

Jajajajajja.

I think it will be banned to sv_cheats

[BuD]

Love that HuD :)

[cirNe]

good work but it seems like you're at a good point now to release 1.04 and let everyone run wild on it, thats the best way to find more bugs and get more input. once the bobcycle is done and the gun recoil is at a decent spot i think it would be smart to release it to keep people interested and continue improving the game at a fast rate. also when you do release it let everyone know that you're still working on it and there will be improvements in the future on the more aesthetic parts to the game like the 1.6 hs death animation so people know that it is still being improved upon. if you release a game that feels pretty much like 1.6 with better graphics and let people know its still being worked on you will convert a lot of people right there, and i'd probably be one of them.

[francoeurdavid]

I dont' get the three first snapshots, is view bob when you switch your weapon out and in or when you run the modelgoes up a little bit and everything ?

[element13]

It's not a big deal or anything, but I think the weapon selection would look better if it was grayish. The color white stands out a bit too much. A better color would be something that blends in with everything else, gray.

Here's what I'm talking about if you don't understand:

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8499/64894838.jpg

EDIT: or maybe it would look better if it was just slightly more transparent... :|

[Intercept]

Awesome update. Can't wait to see the release for 1.04.

Quick question, the hud scales with resolution, like all source games right?

[hxcguitarist]

It's not a big deal or anything, but I think the weapon selection would look better if it was grayish. The color white stands out a bit too much. A better color would be something that blends in with everything else, gray.

Here's what I'm talking about if you don't understand:

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8499/64894838.jpg

EDIT: or maybe it would look better if it was just slightly more transparent... :|

I like the original tbh. The brighter white just pops out so you don't have to strain your eye's at all.

[smartin]

@francoeurdavid
your FOV goes up and down a couple of pixels as you move

[alba]

It's not a big deal or anything, but I think the weapon selection would look better if it was grayish. The color white stands out a bit too much. A better color would be something that blends in with everything else, gray.
I'm still working on the weapon selection but gray won't fit the overall style I have the HUD. I want to use some gray for the empty slots and a specific color for overlay selection but white works best for now.


Awesome update. Can't wait to see the release for 1.04.
Quick question, the hud scales with resolution, like all source games right?
Yes.

[phreaK]

the white looks awesome.

alba please convince cash (i believe he is the mapper) or whoever is, to change season back to its original colors please :)

[PolarPanda]

HUD keeps looking better and better.

I'm glad you're catching all the small elements that will make this game visually pop as it should. (FOV bob and punch a must, gj :D )

[rezOnance]

Looks immense! Also, i agree with changing Season back to original colours :x

[adz]

awesome man looking good

[1nfern0]

Do you know if the bob is effected at all when you change from running to walking? Does it disappear, slow down, slow down + bob less? Same goes for crouch moving.

I don't have cs on me right now to check for myself.

[NortproN]

i don't have source installed so i can't check but does source have the effect when your crouching on the edge of something, you slow down (if you look straight down you see it's exactly when the cross-hair goes over the surface that you slow down) ? just thinking, since this is something you might easily miss but i'm guessing it's already in 1.03 or source anyway. just let me know.

[doublethink]

i don't have source installed so i can't check but does source have the effect when your crouching on the edge of something, you slow down (if you look straight down you see it's exactly when the cross-hair goes over the surface that you slow down) ? just thinking, since this is something you might easily miss but i'm guessing it's already in 1.03 or source anyway. just let me know.

No they didn't bother to put crouching edge friction in either I'm afraid. I had an alpha version of that effect at one point, but thats very WIP. Its on the to do list, another must have from 1.6.

[lordxray]

really like the way, how you guys are working on this. The best part is, that you actualy allow every diferent player to configure his own HUD so now everyone can choose the one he really likes. R35p3cT

peace

[doublethink]

cl_classic_deathmessage 0/1 is completed.

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/classic_headshot2.jpg

Btw can you pls restrict names only use 1234567890-:;()$@".,?!'[]{}#^*+=_\|~<>€£¥qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm nothing fucking else ;p

[haGisson]

nice double :D

but it would be awesome if you could combine the classic one with the outline with the new one showing weapon and hs symbol

[HugoB]

Great job ! :o

:arrow: we<3cs

cl_classic_deathmessage 0/1 is completed.

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/classic_headshot2.jpg


I think that's cs1.3 right? In 1.5+ you see teh gun too (I hate teh css head)

[jeremy14]

NICE ! :)

[haGisson]

the gun + hs icon came with 1.6 i think

Yeah there's a post in another section
1.0-1.5 only teh head looking toward player
1.6 the gun and head looking toward player
css gun and head (turned more to teh right side)

it looks wrong because it's like I shot him from behind... That's dirty don't like it ;()

[Spritz]

cl_classic_deathmessage 0/1 is completed.

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/classic_headshot2.jpg

OMG An instant update :O! We aren't really used to that here.

But it looks great, and thank you for your update!

[MaveN]

cl_classic_deathmessage 0/1 is completed.

http://cspromod.com/images/devlog/classic_headshot2.jpg
ahh!! nice!! love ya
but if i want the pistol+head AND outlines? :(

[hxcguitarist]

Btw can you pls restrict names only use 1234567890-:;()$@".,?!'[]{}#^*+=_\|~<>€£¥qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm nothing fucking else ;p

Please do this :D

[smartin]

MaveN, those are separate cvars.

[madmax]

Btw can you pls restrict names only use 1234567890-:;()$@".,?!'[]{}#^*+=_\|~<>€£¥qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm nothing fucking else ;p

Please do this :D
no just 1234567890qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm

[deCeption]

How does it looks with the new UI and will it be on by default?

Also with all the cvars I suggest adding a text file that lists and describes all the cvars.

[MaveN]

Btw can you pls restrict names only use 1234567890-:;()$@".,?!'[]{}#^*+=_\|~<>€£¥qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm nothing fucking else ;p

Please do this :D
no just 1234567890qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
and clantags? XTRM-GAMER-CLAN | Player
:)

thx smartin - thats great


Also with all the cvars I suggest adding a text file that lists and describes all the cvars.
That's a must

[LiqzZ]

Small question, when swaping weapons on source i use my mousewheel up and down, and it switches to the next/previous weapon straight away without the weapon menu comming up at the top of the HUD. Can i do this in CSP?

[amogan]

Yes.

[esk]

Wow.
Man of very few words huh? ;)

[TUROcKdev]

talking about fast weapon switch? (yes :D)

[motomike]

the gun + hs icon came with 1.6 i think
yeah, 1.5 was just the head

[Lordearon]

MaveN, those are separate cvars.

and all of them are accessible through the GUI? (for tournament pc setup?)

[humane187]

wow i'm so keen for this! great work guys, keep it up!

[SirLuke10]

U CAN TURN BOB OFF CORRECT CAUSE 1.5 which this game will come to be after my prayers have been sent through via the 4 church groups that i told to fix soo just make sure theres no bob cause its really bad to have bob u know no one likes bob and bob doesn't help

[Duracell]

No point in having weapon bob, take it out, just makes the game look stupid.

[messey]

Btw can you pls restrict names only use 1234567890-:;()$@".,?!'[]{}#^*+=_\|~<>€£¥qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm nothing fucking else ;p

Please do this :D
no just 1234567890qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm

no just 123456789 plz!

[alba]

Also with all the cvars I suggest adding a text file that lists and describes all the cvars.
Won't be needed. Well we'll have a list obviously but we'll have a naw tab in the main menu with all the custom CSP cvars listed with a [_] [v] selection for new players or people who prefer to deal with that than console cvars :)



the gun + hs icon came with 1.6 i think
yeah, 1.5 was just the head
I believe head+gun came with 1.5. 1.3 was the gun with black outline :O)

[LiqzZ]

talking about fast weapon switch? (yes :D)

cool ty :D

[haGisson]

Won't be needed. Well we'll have a list obviously but we'll have a naw tab in the main menu with all the custom CSP cvars listed with a [_] [v] selection for new players or people who prefer to deal with that than console cvars :)


and when there are more possibilities than 1 and 0?

[_] = 0
[X] = 1

[V] = dropdown menu!

[haGisson]

8-)

teh V should be a .... :P en DRÜ-ECK! :D
____
\ . . /
..\./

[haGisson]

for all those who don't understand schwizerdütsch, liechtensteiner- or vorarlberger-dialekt:

drü-eck = triangle

^^

[MaveN]

dreieck ftw

[Spritz]

driehoek owns all

[MaveN]

driehoek owns all
dutch?^^

suggestion
Well.. in 1.6 you have to get empty sprites which removes the HUD (money, HP, kevlar)
if you type hud_draw 0 the deathnotice is also disappearing!

in CSP it would be better to have CVARs that remove the HUD but not the deathnotice ;)

// Edit: this is for teh moviemakers

[smartin]

I believe head+gun came with 1.5. 1.3 was the gun with black outline :O)

nah, 1.6
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2364/cs15lf4.png

[sevoii]

Sies....

[dDDK]

Are you guys thinking of re-implementing r_drawviewmodel cvars to CSP?

Since it would give some advantage ... I think no

[MaveN]

btw: the net_graph is no longer allowed to use in the ESL :D the reason: if you look at the numbers you can guess that there is an enemy near to you :D

[Calle]

Gr8 work, man! ;)

[haGisson]

btw: the net_graph is no longer allowed to use in the ESL :D the reason: if you look at the numbers you can guess that there is an enemy near to you :D

would be good if there was a net_graph mode which shows: fps, ms, loss and choke
net_graph is only forbidden because of the in- and out-values, from which you can tell if there are some enemies coming near you

[Duracell]

btw: the net_graph is no longer allowed to use in the ESL :D the reason: if you look at the numbers you can guess that there is an enemy near to you :D

Only net_graph 2

[Duracell]

Many months ago, when I first started with CSP, one of my earliest friends on the beta team was smartin. He had a good eye for cs and favored 1.5, as I do. Once I started doing dev work, he came to me on IRC and said:

"Hey Mike, why doesn't CSP have ViewBob like 1.6 does?"

and I said, "What?"

After playing this game on and off for about 10 years, I never noticed there is a 3-4 unit up and down cycle to EyeAngle vector.

After a bunch of testing on the developer maps, I measured how much it should move, and how fast. It is in sync with the weapon bobbing. This is another feature on a long list of things not found in CS:S. Perhaps they didn't have time, didn't care, whatever the case may be I wanted this once I knew it was important to people. I coded this one, with amogans help.

Thats done without moving the mouse or changing anything, only left/right straife along that wall. Its gives a pseudo illusion to vertical movement that would happen if you were actually running and has a nice 1.6 feel to it.




So just to be clear, will we be able to turn this off, or weapon bobbing off (or together off), as you can in 1.6? I imagine the vast majority of players hate weapon bobbing as well and don't want their mouse to randomly be moving while they run.

afaik only when sv_cheats 1

[haGisson]

rly? it's no cheat, many gamers turn off weapon bobbing and bobup in 1.6

actualy im used to turn it off in cs1.6 ...

but this is a mod for competitive gaming

=> its less annoying if you turn that off!
=> its a difference between the player A and player B
=> one of them has an advantage

advantages (not map or weapon related (because they switch teams later)) are bad, very very bad .. and dirty, but more bad than dirty.. lets say just bad!

[haGisson]

but it doesn't give you an advantage, it's just less anoying. the direction where the bullets go stays the same

[Snapster]

The hud is like a dream!!1 :D

[mnrzkarn]

Am I missing something? I can't see anything but text.

[leffix]

Am I missing something? I can't see anything but text.
Obviusly you are, because there are quite a few pictures there :)

[drixa]

Yay!!

[Duracell]

actualy im used to turn it off in cs1.6 ...

but this is a mod for competitive gaming

=> its less annoying if you turn that off!
=> its a difference between the player A and player B
=> one of them has an advantage

advantages (not map or weapon related (because they switch teams later)) are bad, very very bad .. and dirty, but more bad than dirty.. lets say just bad!

In what way, even remotely, could it possibly be construed as an advantage?

Especially when they are building it into the game, for no reason whatsoever. And in every version but Source, you can turn it off.

[styrcu]

there's probably already a few other cvars that can give an advantage when non-default. maybe you could have some templates in the cvar menu, like "pro mode", "classic mode", "default". not that i really care myself if everything is in the cvar menu anyway :)

[yawt]

cant wait!

[NaapjusuN]

Well done!

[RamenNoodular]

If the devs ever need a quick blowjob, im here for you.
L O L

[MaveN]

If the devs ever need a quick blowjob, im here for you.
L O L
Do you wrote L O L because you as beta tester already have done this job? :lol:

[ZanoTTa]

damn, i hate the awp crosshair on cs 1.6 :cry:

[alba]

damn, i hate the awp crosshair on cs 1.6 :cry:
If you read the post, you'd know that you can select which one you want to use.

[ZanoTTa]

damn, i hate the awp crosshair on cs 1.6 :cry:
If you read the post, you'd know that you can select which one you want to use.
why so serious?

i read mate, i am just making a comment.

[smartin]

well because your comment implied that now there's only a 1.6 crosshair to play with which sucks because you hate it and therefore you ---> :cry:

[derWalter]

:ugeek:

[derWalter]

Since it would give some advantage ... I think no


ofc! and because of this it would be nice to have it back. but this time, including reloadsounds!
(because empty weaponmodels are mostly forbidden :/)

[RamenNoodular]

If the devs ever need a quick blowjob, im here for you.
L O L
Do you wrote L O L because you as beta tester already have done this job? :lol:
maven ill kill u :P

[Chris]

Sick update, love that so many things are customizable :)
Argh I wanna play it :P

[Sn00p]

Awesome stuff. im quitting cs1.6 for a while. but cant wait cs-p to play. :) go go go

[simK]

Finally cspromod seems to be the new vaporeware of the 21e century ! (with duke nukem 4 ever)

[AlteredBeast]

All I can say is WOAHHHHHHH !!!!

YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE ! EVERYTHING IS FALLING INTO PLACE ! HECK THIS MAY EVEN BE BETTER THEN 1.5

One thing that I could never get into was the frickin death messages on 1.6 and cs:s. They removed the black border which was highly homosexual. And what were they thinking with that hs symbol in cs:s ?!?

YOU GUYS HAVE NOT ONLY BROUGHT BACK THE ORIGINAL HS SYMBOL BUT YOU HAVE INCLUDED THE BLACK BORDER AS WELL !!! THAT IS SO OFF THE CHARTS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF RADICAL PROCEEDINGS !!!

And as for the inclusion of the 5 kill death message ? THAT IS SICKKKKKKKK I always wondered why valve weren't quick enough to include that in their updates to 1.6 or cs:s but then again, they were focused on making more of a commercial version of cs rather then a professional/competiton version.

I am on board for this. I started playing cs back in 2001 and really enjoyed playing the game casually and competitively (I have entered some lan competitons against national level clans and even played against an international caliber clan who has competed at cpl and wcg) My love for this game lessened when 1.6 came out but I still enjoyed playing it nonetheless. But when cs:s came out my love for the game died......only recently have I returned to 1.6 after about 3 years away from cs but it seems like their are a lot of cheats online these days :P

All in all I just wanna say thanks to you guys for all your effort......this mod looks so promising and I can't wait to see it all unfold so that people like myself can once again enjoy that game we used to love so much. Thankyou !

Altered Beast.

[AlteredBeast]

driehoek owns all
dutch?^^

suggestion
Well.. in 1.6 you have to get empty sprites which removes the HUD (money, HP, kevlar)
if you type hud_draw 0 the deathnotice is also disappearing!

in CSP it would be better to have CVARs that remove the HUD but not the deathnotice ;)

// Edit: this is for teh moviemakers

Yeah, that is a good suggestion MaveN as I used to make cs movies and having a command to remove the hud and not the death notices would be a fantastic feature to implement.

[RATpope]

instead of constant console cvars and wat not why not just have a list in the gui

[alba]

Don't you think we know that? We will have a CSPromod tab in our gui with all those settings.

[BGS]

Where are the updates? I thought this site was suppose to help get your updates out there for the public.. im not even asking for a dev blog or anything. just some screenshots.

is there seriously NOTHING you can show us from your last update?

--

i haven't been one of those people to rag on you you guys over the years for what you have said you would do.. but again, you do the same thing. getting kinda old :(

[[EA]]

Oh, I got a feeling that a new devlog is going to be out pretty soon.... :-)

[haGisson]

Oh, I got a feeling that a new devlog is going to be out pretty soon.... :-)

approximately in 20 days

[trekkster]

Very nice. Been waiting over a year for this.

[charlo]

slt cspromod link bloc

[swokor]

w00t ! good job !

[haden]

outlined font & 5 death messages .. gogo
work of 2min :)

[katzen]

Where are the updates? I thought this site was suppose to help get your updates out there for the public.. im not even asking for a dev blog or anything. just some screenshots.

is there seriously NOTHING you can show us from your last update?

--

i haven't been one of those people to rag on you you guys over the years for what you have said you would do.. but again, you do the same thing. getting kinda old :(

I'll have to agree. Since the new site was released it seemed as if the game was rlly starting to take shape etc. I was waiting for updates, news, screens, whatever. Specially considering the game should be released ( the beta that is ) within 1,5 months.
I keep checking this site everyday, and nothing ever happens ... it's just dead. Even their twitterfeed seems to have died.

[tiger]

Well, it doesn't look like you've been reading the forums and what the devs said.

[doublethink]

Well, it doesn't look like you've been reading the forums and what the devs said.

Nothing we do is ever enough, don't try to understand it, it will just make you sad inside.

[Biohazard]

I loved the updates..But something's bothering me.I loved the old GUI(HP, Armor, etc), damn, it was 1.6's!
IMO the new one has too much colour, and it just doesn't look like Counter-Strike.

[1nfern0]

Err... we get consistent monthly updates PLUS extra information if you pay attention in forums PLUS twitter updates. I don't see where people find room to complain. I guess that's just it, they're just kids.

Must be a motivation killer sometimes.. should get a hang in there kitty poster lol.

[TNT]

Oh hai BGS, I remember you from gotfrag. I had fun times lurking you and other in the CS:S section. Then I lurked ESEA forums and I was like ...


On another note, excellent work doublethink and staff. Now is it just me or is walking not bound to ctrl by default, because when I play 1.03 I cannot walk without manually binding it myself.

[BGS]

I play 1.6 : / . never was in the source forums :P

[Mudrich]

Err... we get consistent monthly updates PLUS extra information if you pay attention in forums PLUS twitter updates. I don't see where people find room to complain. I guess that's just it, they're just kids.

Must be a motivation killer sometimes.. should get a hang in there kitty poster lol.

Definitely agree with you here. 95% of people are just ignorant, rude and selfish. They have been giving us updates every month and if you actually take time to read through forum threads you can catch tid-bits of info from the staff.

According to twitter there should be a new devlog tonight. Keep calm everyone.

[Duracell]

So just to be clear, will we be able to turn this off, or weapon bobbing off (or together off), as you can in 1.6? I imagine the vast majority of players hate weapon bobbing as well and don't want their mouse to randomly be moving while they run.

Bump


Any insight to this yet?

[fau]

I don't see the problem. Both features are hardly noticeable therefore they won't affect your gameplay at all.

[alba]

So just to be clear, will we be able to turn this off, or weapon bobbing off (or together off), as you can in 1.6? I imagine the vast majority of players hate weapon bobbing as well and don't want their mouse to randomly be moving while they run.

Bump


Any insight to this yet?

It's actually the same as what it is in 1.6 which is something I never really noticed until someone told me :O

[Mudrich]

So just to be clear, will we be able to turn this off, or weapon bobbing off (or together off), as you can in 1.6? I imagine the vast majority of players hate weapon bobbing as well and don't want their mouse to randomly be moving while they run.

Bump


Any insight to this yet?

It's actually the same as what it is in 1.6 which is something I never really noticed until someone told me :O

Will you be able to turn it off?

[veggi]

no

[smartin]

no
this

[[EA]]

You'll also notice in that one he has the grenade bar hidden via the console command as well as the team info (players).

hud_grenadesbar
hud_teaminfos


ftw

[Duracell]

So just to be clear, will we be able to turn this off, or weapon bobbing off (or together off), as you can in 1.6? I imagine the vast majority of players hate weapon bobbing as well and don't want their mouse to randomly be moving while they run.

Bump


Any insight to this yet?

It's actually the same as what it is in 1.6 which is something I never really noticed until someone told me :O

If you can't turn it off, then no, it isn't.

[CREDiBLE]

no
this
That is truely fucked up. The bobbing is annoying, and serves no purpose whatsoever.

[MaveN]

no
cl_bob 0
cl_bobup 0
?

NO!!!
these are some cvars of my config which are really important :X!

[shumped]

didn't they lock the changing off cl_bob and those stuff in 1.6? last time i tried changing i had to have sv_cheats 1 i think :/

[MaveN]

cl_bobcycle is locked i think

cl_bob 0
cl_bobup 0
works fine.. thanks god

[smartin]

l2play default

[MaveN]

thousand of CVARs for CSP and you tell me l2play default?

kkthx

[alba]

It is the same as 1.6 so for people whining, just wait until you play and you'll see that it doesn't bother you at all.

[smartin]

thousand of CVARs for CSP and you tell me l2play default?

kkthx
these cvars mainly exist to give you more of a lean towards the classic characteristics of whatever version of cs you used to play prior to csp.

[Mudrich]

thousand of CVARs for CSP and you tell me l2play default?

kkthx
these cvars mainly exist to give you more of a lean towards the classic characteristics of whatever version of cs you used to play prior to csp.

So what do you say to the people who played 1.6 w/o the bob? There's a cvar for all kinds of other less important things.

[smartin]

I say you shoulda learned to play default







:twisted:

yopull have less problems on lan :X when playing default :D

[Mudrich]

I say you shoulda learned to play default







:twisted:

I am gonna play default and the bob doesn't bother me. I was just curious what your answer was.

[smartin]

yopull have less problems on lan :X when playing default :D
+1

Which is pretty much the reason I stopped with the maxed out configs. That and the fact that I knew I wasn't really good at cs without all my gazillion settings. Felt like a spoiled brat.

yeah and everytime you die you cry "its just because of my bad config"

[anderssxd]

i cant find csp in my games after i putted the files in sourcemods and restarded steam what should i do?

hmm there is no csp released you installed beta 1.03?

[MaveN]

So what do you say to the people who played 1.6 w/o the bob? There's a cvar for all kinds of other less important things.
yeah theres no good reason to restrict the ability to turn it off
found a quote on the net a few minutes ago


Wesley_Pipes - 17.07.2008
Ich hoffe dass, in 10 Jahren CSPromod rauskommt und dieses
rumwackeln weg ist http://forum.mods.de/bb/img/smilies/icon5.gif

translated:
I hope that CSPromod will be released in 10 years and this bobbing is away http://forum.mods.de/bb/img/smilies/icon5.gif

i'm with him :X

[snaeremo]

I just LOVE and i mean LOVE the 1.5 deathnote, if youre going to make the weapon models any time soon, make them so that they look like a mix between 1.5 and 1.6

[TUROcKdev]

maybe we can choose the 1.6/1.5/css/csp deathnote icons (cvar) ;)

[katsam]

Hey guys,
Today is 22th of dec, so there are only 9 days left from 2009. That means the 1.04 will be released in 9 days?:D

[MaveN]

LOL opened a famous CHEAT-Website (don't ask why :D)

Windows 7:
In the begining of new year we plan to release a new generaton of hacks ( CS 1.6 / CSS / CSPROMOD ) which will be working for all leagues anti-cheat tools like Immunity.

CS 1.6 / CSS and?! lol i hate cheaters

[dongzi]

NEW YEAR will come. THE 1.04 will realease?

[StonedMonkey]

I hope so, all of us are still waiting for this game to come out. It definitely will be worth the waiting.
Good job so far.

@ alba mag ik je vragen waar je ergens woont? ;D

[alba]

I don't speak dutch so I don't understand your last sentence. Keep it in English please!

[phreaK]

According to Google translate.

"ALBA, I ask you where you live?"

it seems he might have been asking where you live......

[Southy]

under the sea

[yuri]

under the sea
Its solution to all problems.

[alba]

It's already written right there :P

[1nfern0]

It's already written right there :P

He must want it down to the street address.

[donlan]

Anyone else get freaked out by the fact Alba's avatar changes every time you refresh the page?

[alba]

You just noticed uh? tsss :P Awesome php script is awesome.

[haGisson]

You just noticed uh? tsss :P Awesome php script is awesome.

aweeeeeesoooooooooome

[katsam]

Anyone else get freaked out by the fact Alba's avatar changes every time you refresh the page?
:D rly.
Awesomeness.

[NaapjusuN]

Yes.

[qUINZIe]

<3 cl_bob 0 <3

[slipkn6t]

you guys should add a cvar that disables the red dot in cl_classic_scope 1.

[alba]

That makes no sense at all. It's either CSS & CS1.6.

[tiger]

Well that's in 1.6 with crosshair 0