The Counter-strike community

[1nfern0]

This rant generalizes a lot. If you aren't guilty, don't bitch about being wrongfully accused. You all know who you are ;)

It's funny. People hate on other versions of CS because it isn't exactly like 1.6. "They added boxes and carpets and windows on that map! WAAH :cry: 1.6 doesn't have boxes and carpets and windows there! This version sucks!"

"Grenades in CZ SUCK! They do more damage than in 1.6!"
"CZ sucks, there are things in the maps that make it look fuckin awesomely nice but I dont want my maps to look awesomely nice. I want my maps to look like 1.6!"
"I fuckin hate CZ because headshots are slightly easier! I want that slight fraction of a challenge more, like in 1.6!"
"CZ can suck all three of my balls cuz they changed my favorite map inferno to night time!"

"Source sucks, nades don't do damage through the walls like in 1.6!"
"Source sucks, I can't bunny hop like in 1.6!"
"Source sucks, I can't wall like I can in 1.6!"
"Source sucks cuz the models are ugly! I far prefer the models in 1.6"
"Source weapons are ugly! 1.6 is far better."
"Source's HDR lighting is garbage, this can heavily affect gameplay. I wish it was more like 1.6 and didn't include it."
"What the fuck is up with Source's ammo system? What was wrong with 1.6's?"

You see the pattern yet?

CZ was a badass fuckin version of cs. That shit was awesome in almost every single way.

We can all admit that when source came out, it was shit and deserved any redicule it got. Since then it has come a long, long way and made itself out to be a pretty damn good game.

The funny thing is: If Valve copied 1.6 almost completely and released it under the name CZ or Source, everyone would complain that it's the exact same and, therefore, sucks. So Valve didn't. They made different versions that, in their own unique way, are really fuckin good. But then everyone complained that they weren't almost completely like 1.6!

The cs community is one of the worst ever when it comes to appeasing them. Everyone has to just open their mind and develop the skill called: ADAPTATION.

So what if there is a new fuckin box added to one fuckin section of the map!! Every single other person playing the new version has to deal with that new box just like you! Who the hell cares if nades do more damage! Did you fuckin forget that your nade ALSO has the same power? So you can't BHOP like you could in 1.3? NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE!

Source does not suck all because it does not replicate 1.6.
CZ does not suck all because it does not replicate 1.6.

They are both very good modifcations that have their perks and flaws just like 1.6

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So how does this tie into CSPM discussion? Well, I hope that after reading this, some people realize they've been being a bitch about petty details. I hope that less people will bitch about any details in CSP that does not match 1.6 exactly. So there's a fuckin flower pot added, who gives a damn? Get over it.

As a professional gamer (or at least one with a competitive calibur), you have the ability to adapt. If the recoil pattern is not the EXACT same (it is going to be pretty damn close), ADAPT! If you can't crouch hop, ADAPT! Improve your skills by training your self to not have to rely on using it. So you poor babies have to get used to slightly different grenade dynamics... it's no big deal!

Just take off the skirt. Man the fuck up!

"Who is this randy?"

I have been following CSP since the start. THE START! How many people here can say that?

(One of the ex-mappers for CSP got fuckin flamed to death because he didn't match 1.6 maps exactly. People actually bitched about immobile, non-fps affecting, flower pots. How many people can say they even remember him or what he did? Adam i think his name was.)

I've played CS for 8 years (with a few short breaks here and there, obviously. Everyone takes a break). played source consistently for about a year and then just on and off after that. I played condition zero (the best remake of cs ever) on and off. Haha, i remember waiting years for CZ to come out.


Bottom line is... when 1.04 is released, don't let the fuckin insignificant details bug you. Acknowledge that it isn't the same, then move and fix it yourself. Fix it by owning at the game regardless of petty details. Though it may take some practice for you to learn that you have to make minor adjustments to your gameplay, who cares, everyone else does too.

If the accidental changes in other versions do not affect balance, then there is no problem. You're a just a shitty gamer if you can't adapt and you should quit competitive play and just go back to pubbing.


Btw, i'm sure if the cs community wasn't so shitty in this way, we would all be publicly testing the beta right now. Something to think about. ;)

[1nfern0]

Yo seriously, this shit has really fuckin irked me. Everywhere I look is bitching about stupid fuckin irrelevant details:


I seen the new screenshots for the new hud, seriously guys if you want people to go play this, change it to the original CS 1.6 hud!
There's too much crap in that hud and and u'll only get distracted by it cause it's too big and there's too much color in it. Keep the CS 1.6 hud in it please if you play with that new hud you won't get that old feeling again playing cs 1.6 but this makes it a whole other game =(."

Are you fucking serious? The fucking HUD? You can bitch about the hud?? The new hud looks fucking awesome!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT AFFECTED? "Durr, i think you should scrap the new style of the non-gameplay affecting hud and replace it with the old piece of shit that people have been playing with for years." Fuck off, idiot.

Slap yourself in the fuckin face!

Motherfuck!

I even see people bitching about how inferno should be sunny because it was sunny in 1.6 and the map is intended to be sunny. WHO MOTHERFUCKIN CARES! Are you really going to have such an extremely difficult time playing because the map has an ALTERNATE ATMOSPHERE??

What the fuck?! Seriously...

[rvT]

1nfern0 I just completely agree with you. People are fckn lazy when it comes to "adaptation" (they need to practice again - "omfg lol whut lets it be like in 1.6" bulsshit starts ;D) I really like CZ, and have no fckn idea why ppl don't like this game. For me it's just better version of 1.6. And whining about HUD and other features in CSP without playing it is just stupid... Guys get some brains... Oh and you know why we are playing 5 maps only? Cuz leagues admins asked community for their opinion.. and now community is crying about playing same maps over and over. Just let developers and leagues admins do their job. So you gonna stop crying and whining about new stuff, features and maps in CSP, or just keep playing 1.6 and whining about same things for next 10 years.

[chje]

"Source sucks, I can't bunny hop like in 1.6!"

Wrong there buddy, you can bhop a lot faster in Source than in 1.6. ;)

Agree on the rest, although you could swear less and still get your point through, I think..

[rvT]

"Source sucks, I can't bunny hop like in 1.6!"

Wrong there buddy, you can bhop a lot faster in Source than in 1.6. ;)

Agree on the rest, although you could swear less and still get your point through, I think..

He's totally right cuz in source bhop is different than in 1.6 ;D

[chje]

He's totally right cuz in source bhop is different than in 1.6 ;D
Oh, right. The way he put it just made me think he's saying it's not possible to bhop in CS:S.

[1nfern0]

Haha yeah, could be done with less swearing. Was around 4:00 am when i was writing that up and sometimes it really gets to me how stupid people can be.. and there's isn't a worse time for it to "get to me" than 4:00am :P .

Thanks for understanding so far lol, we'll see what others say.

For the bhop thing, i was quoting things that came to mind that I've heard people say. Not my opinion.

[sevoii]

It's funny. People hate on other versions of CS because it isn't exactly like 1.6. "They added boxes and carpets and windows on that map! WAAH :cry: 1.6 doesn't have boxes and carpets and windows there! This version sucks!"


Negative. We hate other versions, because it split the 1.6 community. I may be generalizing, but then again, so are you.

[1nfern0]

It's funny. People hate on other versions of CS because it isn't exactly like 1.6. "They added boxes and carpets and windows on that map! WAAH :cry: 1.6 doesn't have boxes and carpets and windows there! This version sucks!"


Negative. We hate other versions, because it split the 1.6 community. I may be generalizing, but then again, so are you.

No, you see, people like you split the community. When you hate on other versions, THAT is what splits the community! It isn't the difference of versions that makes the split, it is the lack of cooperation between supporters of various versions.

If people weren't so stupid and actually had open minds and knew what understanding is, then we would all get along regardless of having a preference to different versions.

I'll try to give you an anaolgy if you don't get it yet:

Canada and the United States get along despite the fact they are two different countries with different laws and different views.
Cs 1.6 and Source SHOULD get along despite the fact that they are two different versions with different dynamics and different views.

You'll never see the president of the US saying, "We are better than Canada. Canada has contributed to dividing up the community of North America."

Vica-versa with the prime minister of Canada.

They both get along because regardless of their preference to a different country, they still respect the other versions.

If those intelligent people followed your logic, Canada and the US would be at constant war because each side would be accusing the other of dividing the community of North America. We aren't at constant war, and great respect is shown between the two. Now ask yourself why.

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Maybe it is time for people like you to stop hating on other versions because they are different and embrace the fact that SOURCE, CZ, 1.6, and 1.5 (yes 1.5 was a huge community at one point against 1.6) are all good versions in their own way. They are all Counter-Strike. We are the Counter-Strike community. Show some respect for each version. All because source, or cz, or 1.5, or whatever the fuck other version might not be your preference, does not mean that you should hate on them.

Man, im all for 1.6. I'm a 1.6er. In terms of competitve play, I think it takes more skill. That opinion can be argued and I can be swayed. But the point is, I don't go around saying every other version is inferior. They are good in their own way. I personally think cz was fuckin awesome. And through, tolerance, I adapted to source and grew to like it for it's own game with it's own perks and flaws. It's now a game I would have no problem with playing competitively if I had to. I can also just fire it up once in a whiie just to play for fun.

So here's two things you should go learn:

Tolerance
&
Adaptation

[kingovi]

i really am not in the mood to point out the pure failure of your other arguments, but ive never seen such a huge load of naive expectations in one post


So what if there is a new fuckin box added to one fuckin section of the map!!

a new box in a map can totally overthrow the balance and cause ALOT of problems, youre just incapable of seeing them.


Who the hell cares if nades do more damage! Did you fuckin forget that your nade ALSO has the same power?

YOU ABSOLUTELY CANT BE SERIOUS, what about if we all just run around with seismic charges and atom bombs. doesnt matter eh, everyone can blow up the whole map standing @ spawn eh?



So you can't BHOP like you could in 1.3? NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE!
it STILL affects the rushtimings and everything? you cant bhop the same in every area of the map, you would get a much bigger advantage bhopping to important places as a T on dust2, than being a CT


"Source sucks cuz the models are ugly! I far prefer the models in 1.6"

noone lists that as the major problem with the models? the problem is the SIZE of the models. yeah yeah ofc, youll say everyones model is that big and stuff. that would be a purely naive expectation again. it still is WAY easier to point onto WAY bigger models, CAPPING the SKILL you can reach by ALOT. imagine everyone having 500% bigger heads and not "only" 76% - you can see where this is going cant you?


i know the community rages about minor things alot but youre just being ignorant and clearly dont have the overview you would need to tell everyone to "adapt" to games and things that clearly DONT benefit the gameplay.



You're a just a shitty gamer if you can't adapt and you should quit competitive play and just go back to pubbing.


go back to playing your newly released soulless eyecandy games filled with dumb "gameplay features" such as quicktime actions and absolutely no depth. you even paid 70 bucks for them. leave this wonderful game alone

[yogurt]

i really am not in the mood to point out the pure failure of your other arguments, but ive never seen such a huge load of naive expectations in one post


So what if there is a new fuckin box added to one fuckin section of the map!!

a new box in a map can totally overthrow the balance and cause ALOT of problems, youre just incapable of seeing them.


Who the hell cares if nades do more damage! Did you fuckin forget that your nade ALSO has the same power?

YOU ABSOLUTELY CANT BE SERIOUS, what about if we all just run around with seismic charges and atom bombs. doesnt matter eh, everyone can blow up the whole map standing @ spawn eh?



So you can't BHOP like you could in 1.3? NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE!
it STILL affects the rushtimings and everything? you cant bhop the same in every area of the map, you would get a much bigger advantage bhopping to important places as a T on dust2, than being a CT


"Source sucks cuz the models are ugly! I far prefer the models in 1.6"

noone lists that as the major problem with the models? the problem is the SIZE of the models. yeah yeah ofc, youll say everyones model is that big and stuff. that would be a purely naive expectation again. it still is WAY easier to point onto WAY bigger models, CAPPING the SKILL you can reach by ALOT. imagine everyone having 500% bigger heads and not "only" 76% - you can see where this is going cant you?


i know the community rages about minor things alot but youre just being ignorant and clearly dont have the overview you would need to tell everyone to "adapt" to games and things that clearly DONT benefit the gameplay.



You're a just a shitty gamer if you can't adapt and you should quit competitive play and just go back to pubbing.


go back to playing your newly released soulless eyecandy games filled with dumb "gameplay features" such as quicktime actions and absolutely no depth. you even paid 70 bucks for them. leave this wonderful game alone

Oh damn you are so fucking stupid. You can't just accept the fact that they are DIFFERENT games with CHANGED gameplay but they're called COUNTER-STRIKE so YOURS is better than THEY.

Stop with this nonsense war between different games, you make yourself look so dumb and ignorant, it can't be even described. A new box on map can cause ALOT of problems? You can't be serious. It seems you're just incapable of seeing them. Who gives a fuck about nades power? Adapt to them, so what if they're weaker? It just changes the gameplay so if you can't adapt you're just really crappy gamer.

Oh yeah and basketball in USA is so fucking SHIT because they've got 12 minute quarters instead of 10 in Poland! IT SUCKS SO MUCH IT CHANGES THE GAME OMGOMGOMGOMG.

also big +1 for 1nfern0

[katzen]

I'm completely into the whole "people should learn to adapt" thingy.
It just shows most of the 1.6 heroes are just randomers who have been playing the game for way to long. Drop them in a slightly changed game and they'll need 2 years to get a positive ratio. It just prooves you're not really skilled, you're just a geek.
Has anyone got a point of view from one of the real professional gamers ? I wonder how they feel about all this.
I'm a very competitive person and change is challenge afaik.

[1nfern0]

i really am not in the mood to point out the pure failure of your other arguments, but ive never seen such a huge load of naive expectations in one post


Oh man, you're a fuckin idiot. Was jsut about to go to sleep. I can barely believe I'm going to take the time to tear you apart. But it is for a greater cause than you personally.

YOU MISSED THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD. PLEASE RETAKE ENGLISH COMPREHENSION!

The point was, ADAPTING to CHANGE regardless of what the difference is. Fucking retard.





So what if there is a new fuckin box added to one fuckin section of the map!!


a new box in a map can totally overthrow the balance and cause ALOT of problems, youre just incapable of seeing them.

You fucking dumbass. I realize the effects of a new item like a box on a map where given a certain position (almost any position) can greatly affect gameplay. The POINT is ADAPTING to that change. WORK WITH IT. Shit can't always go the way you want it to. If you had any balls or skill at all you'd, cut the fuckin bitching out and look at that fuckin box and learn how to work around it.

BTW, I was talking about any box ranging from a random insignificant place to somewhere where it actually makes a different. Some people just bitch about new shit being added because it doesn't replicate the original map exactly.


Who the hell cares if nades do more damage! Did you fuckin forget that your nade ALSO has the same power?

YOU ABSOLUTELY CANT BE SERIOUS, what about if we all just run around with seismic charges and atom bombs. doesnt matter eh, everyone can blow up the whole map standing @ spawn eh?

That dumb fucking point made no god damn sense now give your self a fuckin big punch in the groin and go cry yourself to sleep.

Where the fuck.. i ask you.. is the fuckin similarity between a accurately thrown grenade and an atom bomb? How the fuck does blowing up an entire map from spawn even COME CLOSE to an accurately thrown grenade? That was the stupidest fuckin thing you coulda said; ever hear of over-exageration?

You just COMPLETELY missed every single point of that statement. I'm not even gonna bother explaining this one to you. You re-read it while also considering the actual OVERALL point of what i wrote (you know, the important point that actually mattered?)



So you can't BHOP like you could in 1.3? NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE!

it STILL affects the rushtimings and everything? you cant bhop the same in every area of the map, you would get a much bigger advantage bhopping to important places as a T on dust2, than being a CT

I realize every single little detail of the impact that the slightest change in a games dynamics. Bunny hopping was different in earlier versions of cs. It was much quicker and easier. THEY CHANGED IT, PEOPLE ADAPTED. You do not NEED bunny hopping. You do not NEED crouch-hopping. Professional players figure out how to win, AND THEY DO IT. ADAPT RETARD.

BTW, In case you forgot, You get to be CT afterwards too! Whereupon the T side will then be in the SAME POSITION YOU WERE JUST IN. Do you understand that? That means that, just as you may not have gotten to bhop or crouch hop, THE OTHER TEAM DOES NOT GET TO EITHER.

Stop making excuses why you lost to a better team, ADMIT your skills need improvement, AND WORK ON THEM. With the attitude you have now, you will never be at the top of professional gaming. Ever. Professionals don't get there making lame ass excuses.

You DID NOT lose because bhopping wasn't working as well as you are used to it being. You DID NOT lose because grenades do more damage. You DID NOT lose because there was a new BOX on some place of the map. YOU LOST BECAUSE: You failed to practice as hard as you should have and got beaten by a better team. Simple as that.

Here is some advice: When you lose, the time you take to bitch and complain about why you lost, scrap it. Substitute that time with practicing and making new strategies and ADAPTING.


"Source sucks cuz the models are ugly! I far prefer the models in 1.6"

noone lists that as the major problem with the models? the problem is the SIZE of the models. yeah yeah ofc, youll say everyones model is that big and stuff. that would be a purely naive expectation again. it still is WAY easier to point onto WAY bigger models, CAPPING the SKILL you can reach by ALOT. imagine everyone having 500% bigger heads and not "only" 76% - you can see where this is going cant you?


i know the community rages about minor things alot but youre just being ignorant and clearly dont have the overview you would need to tell everyone to "adapt" to games and things that clearly DONT benefit the gameplay.

Stfu you don't know what the fuck you are talking about you fuckin waste of air. Noone? There's a nice statement. You and both know (well you know, really deep deep deep inside that excuse of a brain), that people bitch all the time about source models being ugly and how they want 1.6 models.

The point there was basic. Don't start fucking adding shit about size. That's putting words in someone's mouth. That is called infering my friend. The point was about the community complaining about something minor and stupid.

But wait, here you are acknowledge that my point is right: i know the community rages about minor things alot

Ok so... you read my point, state how you accept it is a correct statement. Yet you somehow find a way to redicule it as being an incorrect statement. Ok so now I'm confused? :?

You agree that I am right but argue that I am wrong. Therefore you are simultaneously agruing with yourself that you are wrong... about being right... about being wrong. You created a paradox with your stupididty.



You're a just a shitty gamer if you can't adapt and you should quit competitive play and just go back to pubbing.


go back to playing your newly released soulless eyecandy games filled with dumb "gameplay features" such as quicktime actions and absolutely no depth. you even paid 70 bucks for them. leave this wonderful game alone

Ok. My quote with your point do NOT match. You must've just copied an excerpt out of my post randomly and fired some meaningless insult at me in hope to make yourself look smart and logical.

I stated a fact. You are not a good gamer if you do not know how to adapt. If you cannot adapt I recommended you quit competitive play (because competitive play is about adapting) and go back to pubbing where you will find yourself more at home.

Now tell me what the fuck that has to do with your following "counter-point"?

Back to reading comprehension, buddy. I said I have been playing CS for 8 years. Where the fuck do you read newly released soulless eyecandy games?! LOL! Seriously?!

Again, you have created a fuckin weird contradiction: I state that I have been keeping it old school, sticking with cs for 8 years. And sourced (which is also old at this point) for a year back in the day, and play it on it off for fun. Then you state that I play newly released soulless eyecandy games <blah blah blah, further ridicule>.

Ok, so you are calling cs 1.6 all those things. Because I play cs 1.6 and you said, what i play is all those things. You understand??

you paid 70 bucks for them

You are insulting me for paying for my games? LOL. "Hey motherfucker, you pay for your games!? Dumbass!"
I paid 40$ for counterstrike alone back in the day, 45 for half-life alone, like 60$ or something for HL2 and source pack when it first came out. I really dont understand your insult.

leave this wonderful game alone!"

Ok. Explain to me what exactly am altering in your game? ROFL! Fuckin waste of air man i swear to god.

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Now please... for the love of god... Only reply to this if your words follow somewhere along the line of: "I'm sorry, I didn't read your post enough to realize the actual point is was making. <insert excuses>. And out of anger and physical and mental exhaustion from IRL problems, I made a half ass arguement that would normally get by most people I know."

Otherwise, shut your fuckin mouth. Take more time to pay attention in school. Especially in English, and more specifically when it comes to reading comprehension. Stop getting high, getting drunk, whatever the fuck you do and listen the fuck up to your teachers.

[RATpope]

"Canada and the United States get along despite the fact they are two different countries with different laws and different views."

spoken by an american obvioiusly all canadians hate most americans beacause of there tendancy to be ignorant.

[1nfern0]

"Canada and the United States get along despite the fact they are two different countries with different laws and different views."

spoken by an american obvioiusly all canadians hate most americans beacause of there tendancy to be ignorant.

Oh man, haha. Nah, I'm Canadian but I know what you mean. People around here really like to put down americans for stupid reasons lol. I find myself giving them a smack and a quick explanation as to why they owe Americans respect. And I find I'm not alone with the point of view, so all hope is not lost :lol: You really find a large mix or attitudes.

At least we can say the canadian government and the american governement get along.

[inspectre]

Inferno, i think you are mostly wrong here.

Source was introduced to the market and while some people liked the game, many counter-strikers were turned off by it. You mention many complaints of 1.6 players, but why are they not valid?
I was contemplating about the point at which changing a game would cause players to adapt a little, or actually change the game that the players immerse themselves in. Do you think many current 1.6 players thought that the changes brought to source were simply too great? That they simply changed gameplay too much? So it almost seemed like a new game?

Are you seriously mad or angry at a community for its preference in game? This would be somewhat disturbing as people only chose to play the game they liked more. Where is the harm?

Maybe you are worried people will once again choose not to switch to the new game, but that is not for one (or a few people) to decide. If this game turns out okay, i'm sure it'll do just fine.

[adz88]

I'm completely into the whole "people should learn to adapt" thingy.
It just shows most of the 1.6 heroes are just randomers who have been playing the game for way to long. Drop them in a slightly changed game and they'll need 2 years to get a positive ratio. It just prooves you're not really skilled, you're just a geek.
Has anyone got a point of view from one of the real professional gamers ? I wonder how they feel about all this.
I'm a very competitive person and change is challenge afaik.

Yea man 1.6 are randomers that wont get a positive ratio in pub... you spastic. I'm all for change with csp as long as most of the gameplay stays like 1.6 because thats what makes the game so good

[katzen]

I'm completely into the whole "people should learn to adapt" thingy.
It just shows most of the 1.6 heroes are just randomers who have been playing the game for way to long. Drop them in a slightly changed game and they'll need 2 years to get a positive ratio. It just prooves you're not really skilled, you're just a geek.
Has anyone got a point of view from one of the real professional gamers ? I wonder how they feel about all this.
I'm a very competitive person and change is challenge afaik.

Yea man 1.6 are randomers that wont get a positive ratio in pub... you spastic. I'm all for change with csp as long as most of the gameplay stays like 1.6 because thats what makes the game so good

I agree most of the gameplay elements in CSP should be from 1.6! I'd like to add I never played 1.6 for a long enough amount of time to become good at it. I just played css for half a year and that's it. I'm just stating most 1.6 heroes don't want any change whatsoever because they well enough know they'd be worthless when the game changes. CSP should be more like 1.6, but some minor features could use some improvement.

[hxcguitarist]

As far as I'm concerned, as long as the weapons shoot like 1.6, I'm a happy man. I'll adjust the rest with ease ;D

[adz88]

I agree most of the gameplay elements in CSP should be from 1.6! I'd like to add I never played 1.6 for a long enough amount of time to become good at it. I just played css for half a year and that's it. I'm just stating most 1.6 heroes don't want any change whatsoever because they well enough know they'd be worthless when the game changes. CSP should be more like 1.6, but some minor features could use some improvement.

I don't see how they will be hopeless with minor changes to the game. Aslong as the gameplay is kept the same as 1.6 (spray pattern and movement) I think it will be a very quick adaption. The promod idea is to implement the gameplay of 1.6 with the graphics of css :)

[[EA]]

Shoot, I personally find it really difficult to bhop in CSS. :shock:

[katzen]

I agree most of the gameplay elements in CSP should be from 1.6! I'd like to add I never played 1.6 for a long enough amount of time to become good at it. I just played css for half a year and that's it. I'm just stating most 1.6 heroes don't want any change whatsoever because they well enough know they'd be worthless when the game changes. CSP should be more like 1.6, but some minor features could use some improvement.

I don't see how they will be hopeless with minor changes to the game. Aslong as the gameplay is kept the same as 1.6 (spray pattern and movement) I think it will be a very quick adaption. The promod idea is to implement the gameplay of 1.6 with the graphics of css :)

Then why are those 1.6 players constantly whining and bitching ? Because it takes effort to adapt ? :roll:

[Snooc]

It's a game.

[russki]

1.6 gameplay could still be improved and perfected. It's not the holy grail, in fact I'd say it was backwards progress from 1.5, but that's solely my opinion. Everyone here that is asking for 1.6 gameplay, and only 1.6 gameplay, you have no idea what counter strike is/was ever about.

[TNT]

[23:57] <TNT> You guys done beating that dead horse yet?

[nightvenom]

Enjoyed this thread, some really valid arguments put into perspective.


On a side note:

Source is pretty easy to bunny hop in. The update of zBlock 4.4 changed this though, competitive play will never see bunny hopping ever again(NA), except e-Compete league, but that's a joke.

[smartin]

<praise>
I just wanna throw you a big fucking WORD 1nfern0.
This energy, this enlightenment. What you say is just plain truth.
</praise>

Get out there and fucking pwn those suckas. Just like i did when i loaded up css the other day, played some 2v2s and rocked the shit out of those ppl.

I still won't say that I like cz or cs:source, but that's like you say because I'm not used to it. I'm a 1.6ie and I probably won't switch to source or cz, still I don't think one should argue that these games are worse because they're different.

[nightvenom]

I just wanna throw you a big fucking WORD 1nfern0.
This energy, this enlightenment. What you say is just plain truth. Get out there and fucking pwn those suckas. Just like i did when i loaded up css the other day, played some 2v2s and rocked the shit out of those ppl.

I still won't say that I like cz or cs:source, but that's like you say because I'm not used to it. I'm a 1.6ie and I probably won't switch to source or cz, still I don't think you should argue that these games are worse because they're different.

This confused me lol.

Did you mean 1nferno or the whole community in that sentence ? xD

[smartin]

Well, the community... to get out there :p

[nightvenom]

Well, the community... to get out there :p
kk :p

[smartin]

Oh now I see what you mean. Only the first lines of praise are to 1nfern0. The rest is for the community in general.

[nightvenom]

Oh now I see what you mean. Only the first lines of praise are to 1nfern0. The rest is for the community in general.
Ah kkz

[enza]

1nfern0 , your opinion would certainly get more respect on here if it wasn't for you calling people stupid, dumb, and retarded.

You and your arguments just become nullified when you are so desperate to be right that you have to call people, on the internet, by such words. Just take it easy, ignore rather than attack people.

[smalls]

So to tell you the truth. There were alot of walls of texts. I read the first post and a few of the others. I agree'd with your last part of the first post.

As a professional gamer (or at least one with a competitive calibur), you have the ability to adapt. If the recoil pattern is not the EXACT same (it is going to be pretty damn close), ADAPT! If you can't crouch hop, ADAPT! Improve your skills by training your self to not have to rely on using it. So you poor babies have to get used to slightly different grenade dynamics... it's no big deal!

But the first part about source and cz. Look I play 1.6 nothing against the other games. But don't pin this down on just 1.6 players being dicks. There are just as many assholes in 1.6 and source. Both sides have there extreme ignorant d-bags . Dont blame 1.6 people solely for the cause of all your troubles. I stuck with 1.6 because I enjoyed it more.

[bryn]

CZ Was a Beta.

[sevoii]

WOW, 1nferno is a complete fail.

[ccJohnson]

I'd like to take the time to point out that no cs:s player should be waiting for cspm to come out. Your game, should cspm takeover is dead. While 1.6 will die too, it will have been replaced with cspm, which if all goes to plan is what 1.6 players want. Don't claim to prefer cs:s and support cspm, you have to be a fool to support cspm(1.6 source) while not playing 1.6 itself. What I am getting at is this is not a game that will share major aspects of cs:s, that's what cs:s is for. :)

[nightvenom]

I'd like to take the time to point out that no cs:s player should be waiting for cspm to come out. Your game, should cspm takeover is dead. While 1.6 will die too, it will have been replaced with cspm, which if all goes to plan is what 1.6 players want. Don't claim to prefer cs:s and support cspm, you have to be a fool to support cspm(1.6 source) while not playing 1.6 itself. What I am getting at is this is not a game that will share major aspects of cs:s, that's what cs:s is for. :)

I'm a source player waiting for cspm.
Your point is very invalid and quite confusing.
This is pretty much a game all source players want. It has source graphics without the broken game-play.

[hxcguitarist]

I'd like to take the time to point out that no cs:s player should be waiting for cspm to come out. Your game, should cspm takeover is dead. While 1.6 will die too, it will have been replaced with cspm, which if all goes to plan is what 1.6 players want. Don't claim to prefer cs:s and support cspm, you have to be a fool to support cspm(1.6 source) while not playing 1.6 itself. What I am getting at is this is not a game that will share major aspects of cs:s, that's what cs:s is for. :)

Holy fuck we have someone who can't see past his own ass of a brain O_O

1) I'm a CS:S player who's been DIEING waiting for this mod since I saw a post about it at Gotfrag.com a long time ago.
2) I play 1.6 every once in a while, and I am always wondering why the guns in CS:S don't feel like the guns in 1.6.
3) This mod is a step forward in competitive gaming, and I'm all for it.

[nightvenom]

I'd like to take the time to point out that no cs:s player should be waiting for cspm to come out. Your game, should cspm takeover is dead. While 1.6 will die too, it will have been replaced with cspm, which if all goes to plan is what 1.6 players want. Don't claim to prefer cs:s and support cspm, you have to be a fool to support cspm(1.6 source) while not playing 1.6 itself. What I am getting at is this is not a game that will share major aspects of cs:s, that's what cs:s is for. :)

Holy fuck we have someone who can't see past his own ass of a brain O_O

1) I'm a CS:S player who's been DIEING waiting for this mod since I saw a post about it at Gotfrag.com a long time ago.
2) I play 1.6 every once in a while, and I am always wondering why the guns in CS:S don't feel like the guns in 1.6.
3) This mod is a step forward in competitive gaming, and I'm all for it.
<3 you.

[Lordearon]

lol, Inferno, it's a forum.... get used to it..

here's some help:
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-beh ... rnet-forum (http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-behave-on-an-internet-forum)

they're called fanboys ;)

[Chris]

Shoot, I personally find it really difficult to bhop in CSS. :shock:

And I find it difficult to bhop in cs 1.6 :)
Just not what im used to as a css player.


1nfern0 , your opinion would certainly get more respect on here if it wasn't for you calling people stupid, dumb, and retarded.

You and your arguments just become nullified when you are so desperate to be right that you have to call people, on the internet, by such words. Just take it easy, ignore rather than attack people.

Indeed.



I'd like to take the time to point out that no cs:s player should be waiting for cspm to come out. Your game, should cspm takeover is dead. While 1.6 will die too, it will have been replaced with cspm, which if all goes to plan is what 1.6 players want. Don't claim to prefer cs:s and support cspm, you have to be a fool to support cspm(1.6 source) while not playing 1.6 itself. What I am getting at is this is not a game that will share major aspects of cs:s, that's what cs:s is for. :)

I'm a source player waiting for cspm.
Your point is very invalid and quite confusing.
This is pretty much a game all source players want. It has source graphics without the broken game-play.

Agree, except for that source has broken game-play. Source has "different" gameplay, 1.6 is in my opinion more challenging and thats why it's more fun.

[deefop]

i don't blame source for splitting the community. i blame valve for making source horrendous, they weren't "changing" and "adapting" they just make a typical half assed attempt to make cs 1.6 with better graphics and they failed miserably. Remember thats what source was originally supposed to be. in fact the entire CSP attempt is pretty much to do what valve was supposed to do in 2004.
as far as splitting the community, the 1.6 community lost very little. all the players we lost came back, and if source wants to have its own competitive community i could care less, just as long as they realize they aren't going to get the recognition or monetary rewards that 1.6 offers

[russki]

i don't blame source for splitting the community. i blame valve for making source horrendous, they weren't "changing" and "adapting" they just make a typical half assed attempt to make cs 1.6 with better graphics and they failed miserably. Remember thats what source was originally supposed to be. in fact the entire CSP attempt is pretty much to do what valve was supposed to do in 2004.
as far as splitting the community, the 1.6 community lost very little. all the players we lost came back, and if source wants to have its own competitive community i could care less, just as long as they realize they aren't going to get the recognition or monetary rewards that 1.6 offers

Source was never ever meant to be 1.6 with better graphics. If they wanted to do that they'd release CZ.. oh wait.. they did. Fucking nerd.

And how was it ever a typical half assed attempt to do anything? Valve MADE 1.6.. since when did Valve make a bad game? My god you're so oblivious to simple knowledge, it's like teaching kindergarten all over again.

[doublethink]

i don't blame source for splitting the community. i blame valve for making source horrendous, they weren't "changing" and "adapting" they just make a typical half assed attempt to make cs 1.6 with better graphics and they failed miserably. Remember thats what source was originally supposed to be. in fact the entire CSP attempt is pretty much to do what valve was supposed to do in 2004.
as far as splitting the community, the 1.6 community lost very little. all the players we lost came back, and if source wants to have its own competitive community i could care less, just as long as they realize they aren't going to get the recognition or monetary rewards that 1.6 offers

Source was never ever meant to be 1.6 with better graphics. If they wanted to do that they'd release CZ.. oh wait.. they did. Fucking nerd.

And how was it ever a typical half assed attempt to do anything? Valve MADE 1.6.. since when did Valve make a bad game? My god you're so oblivious to simple knowledge, it's like teaching kindergarten all over again.

Turtle Rock Studios was the primary developer on CS:S, and many times they did promise it would be like 1.6. I have very old gotfrag articles to prove it with quotes from Jesse and other high profile people over there at the time.

Their mistake, in my opinion, was not utilizing the eSports community in the development of the game. Look at what Blizzard is doing with StarCraft2. Who were their Alpha testers? The top 10 Korean players in the world. Thats how you ensure a sequel that will top the best RTS of all time, a decade later.

Although we are a small not for profit, in our opinion we are trying to remake one of the greatest competitive FPS's of all time, and its no small task.

[russki]

i don't blame source for splitting the community. i blame valve for making source horrendous, they weren't "changing" and "adapting" they just make a typical half assed attempt to make cs 1.6 with better graphics and they failed miserably. Remember thats what source was originally supposed to be. in fact the entire CSP attempt is pretty much to do what valve was supposed to do in 2004.
as far as splitting the community, the 1.6 community lost very little. all the players we lost came back, and if source wants to have its own competitive community i could care less, just as long as they realize they aren't going to get the recognition or monetary rewards that 1.6 offers

Source was never ever meant to be 1.6 with better graphics. If they wanted to do that they'd release CZ.. oh wait.. they did. Fucking nerd.

And how was it ever a typical half assed attempt to do anything? Valve MADE 1.6.. since when did Valve make a bad game? My god you're so oblivious to simple knowledge, it's like teaching kindergarten all over again.

Turtle Rock Studios was the primary developer on CS:S, and many times they did promise it would be like 1.6. I have very old gotfrag articles to prove it with quotes from Jesse and other high profile people over there at the time.

Their mistake, in my opinion, was not utilizing the eSports community in the development of the game. Look at what Blizzard is doing with StarCraft2. Who were their Alpha testers? The top 10 Korean players in the world. Thats how you ensure a sequel that will top the best RTS of all time, a decade later.

Although we are a small not for profit, in our opinion we are trying to remake one of the greatest competitive FPS's of all time, and its no small task.

Well.. it IS LIKE 1.6, it's just not a remake thereof. They never tried to make it EXACTLY like 1.6, it was never their mission statement. Their job was to make a more visually appealing counter strike, and they did a damn good job at it. They didn't do a bad job at certain unique gameplay features either. I still don't understand why you're trying to remake something when you can make something better. (not that csp won't be better than 1.6, i sincerely hope it will take all the best things from 1.6, but in turn get rid of the awful shit and add some new original things that will make this game a true sport.)

[ccJohnson]

I find it funny my post was confusing to some people, one even mentioned graphics over gameplay. You can't be here supporting cspm while prefering cs:s over 1.6. The entire point of cspm is cs:s is unplayable in competition, you can't sit here saying otherwise. If you are waiting for this to come out that means you don't actually like cs:s and for some reason still play it. :(

[Bocom]

I find it funny my post was confusing to some people, one even mentioned graphics over gameplay. You can't be here supporting cspm while prefering cs:s over 1.6. The entire point of cspm is cs:s is unplayable in competition, you can't sit here saying otherwise. If you are waiting for this to come out that means you don't actually like cs:s and for some reason still play it. :(

Sure I can, just watch me.

[RATpope]

1nferno i want to be like you when i grow up able to state the truth knowing people will get angry every word you spoke was true anout the community but unfortunately most 1.6 players are not only nerd but also act like 4 year olds with dirty dippers.

[ccJohnson]

It's an oxymoron socom, you can't honestly sit here and claim to like cs:s more than 1.6 yet cant wait for 1.6 with source graphics. google cspromod and read the title, it says the best of both games with meaning graphics from cs:s and 1.6 gameplay, this never implied to take gameplay from css yet people still think itll be a mix of the two gameplays.

[hxcguitarist]

It's an oxymoron socom, you can't honestly sit here and claim to like cs:s more than 1.6 yet cant wait for 1.6 with source graphics. google cspromod and read the title, it says the best of both games with meaning graphics from cs:s and 1.6 gameplay, this never implied to take gameplay from css yet people still think itll be a mix of the two gameplays.

I like CS:S over 1.6 for the most part. The only thing I like more about 1.6 is the way the guns feel and shoot. I can't wait for this mod to come out because of the Competitive aspect of it.

[paradox]

I would go as far to say that there's just as many source players waiting for CSP as there is 1.6 players...

[ccJohnson]

I don't understand why. If they play source why would they care about a game designed to kill it off? It proves they knew the gameplay is not good and play it for graphics..

[j0lt]

I don't understand why. If they play source why would they care about a game designed to kill it off? It proves they knew the gameplay is not good and play it for graphics..

Because both games have plenty of room for improvement. There's no reason to say that CSP won't be better than Source AND 1.6.

Besides, many CS:S players such as myself prefer many aspects of 1.6 to the Source implementation, it just feels like an overall smoother game to play right now.

[saidypoo]

I quite enjoy the brutal bluntness of infernos post. As a community we get to get this game where it needs to be, so unless collectively we're all retarded (i'll give us the benefit of the doubt) this game should definitely be better than any previous version of counter-strike.

[PolarPanda]

I'm sort of new to following CSP, but from what I have read over the years this division appears to be a huge issue. I think everyone needs to realize that neither version of the game is perfect, and that changes in elements of gameplay simply result in different gameplay. This is basically what the OP was saying, but to reiterate: The two games are different, and provide different challenges, if you want to play either competitively you need to achieve a level of skill in that particular version.

The reason (and I feel just about the only reason) Source is the weaker version for competition is hitboxes and netcode. Admittedly I haven't played in a while, and maybe it's improved, but that was the thing that irked me and most of the community at the time. I didn't care about new maps or wallbanging & grenade physics.. they just meant new strats would have to be made, which happens in 1.6 anyway as teams find new ways to play maps. The only reason I dropped CS:S was the insane interp and the crazy stuff it was doing to hitboxes.

Everyone seems to have a different idea about what CSP should be. Frankly, I don't care if maps match perfectly with 1.6. If some of the elements used in Source are interesting and work well competitively, I say use them. From reading the FAQ, CSP's mission statement is "to bring the gameplay, feel, and competitive spirit of the original Counter-Strike to the Source engine, along with improved graphics and new features." and that's what they are doing. Not every little thing has to be like either version of the game. "Gameplay" and "feel" does not mean an exact replica. If an improvement on 1.6 can be made in CSP, make it. If it comes from CS:S, who cares? There were some good elements to Source.


1.6 is not the holy bible of counter-strike. It's just another version in a long line of remakes.. remember 1.3 b-hop 1 shot deagles? I'm kind of glad that's gone now, but I missed it when it went. As the OP said, just adapt. You may find yourself liking the new gameplay more.

[workz2g]

This rant generalizes a lot. If you aren't guilty, don't bitch about being wrongfully accused. You all know who you are ;)

It's funny. People hate on other versions of CS because it isn't exactly like 1.6. "They added boxes and carpets and windows on that map! WAAH :cry: 1.6 doesn't have boxes and carpets and windows there! This version sucks!"

"Grenades in CZ SUCK! They do more damage than in 1.6!"
"CZ sucks, there are things in the maps that make it look fuckin awesomely nice but I dont want my maps to look awesomely nice. I want my maps to look like 1.6!"
"I fuckin hate CZ because headshots are slightly easier! I want that slight fraction of a challenge more, like in 1.6!"
"CZ can suck all three of my balls cuz they changed my favorite map inferno to night time!"

"Source sucks, nades don't do damage through the walls like in 1.6!"
"Source sucks, I can't bunny hop like in 1.6!"
"Source sucks, I can't wall like I can in 1.6!"
"Source sucks cuz the models are ugly! I far prefer the models in 1.6"
"Source weapons are ugly! 1.6 is far better."
"Source's HDR lighting is garbage, this can heavily affect gameplay. I wish it was more like 1.6 and didn't include it."
"What the fuck is up with Source's ammo system? What was wrong with 1.6's?"

You see the pattern yet?

CZ was a badass fuckin version of cs. That shit was awesome in almost every single way.

We can all admit that when source came out, it was shit and deserved any redicule it got. Since then it has come a long, long way and made itself out to be a pretty damn good game.

The funny thing is: If Valve copied 1.6 almost completely and released it under the name CZ or Source, everyone would complain that it's the exact same and, therefore, sucks. So Valve didn't. They made different versions that, in their own unique way, are really fuckin good. But then everyone complained that they weren't almost completely like 1.6!

The cs community is one of the worst ever when it comes to appeasing them. Everyone has to just open their mind and develop the skill called: ADAPTATION.

So what if there is a new fuckin box added to one fuckin section of the map!! Every single other person playing the new version has to deal with that new box just like you! Who the hell cares if nades do more damage! Did you fuckin forget that your nade ALSO has the same power? So you can't BHOP like you could in 1.3? NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE!

Source does not suck all because it does not replicate 1.6.
CZ does not suck all because it does not replicate 1.6.

They are both very good modifcations that have their perks and flaws just like 1.6

__________________________________________

So how does this tie into CSPM discussion? Well, I hope that after reading this, some people realize they've been being a bitch about petty details. I hope that less people will bitch about any details in CSP that does not match 1.6 exactly. So there's a fuckin flower pot added, who gives a damn? Get over it.

As a professional gamer (or at least one with a competitive calibur), you have the ability to adapt. If the recoil pattern is not the EXACT same (it is going to be pretty damn close), ADAPT! If you can't crouch hop, ADAPT! Improve your skills by training your self to not have to rely on using it. So you poor babies have to get used to slightly different grenade dynamics... it's no big deal!

Just take off the skirt. Man the fuck up!

"Who is this randy?"

I have been following CSP since the start. THE START! How many people here can say that?

(One of the ex-mappers for CSP got fuckin flamed to death because he didn't match 1.6 maps exactly. People actually bitched about immobile, non-fps affecting, flower pots. How many people can say they even remember him or what he did? Adam i think his name was.)

I've played CS for 8 years (with a few short breaks here and there, obviously. Everyone takes a break). played source consistently for about a year and then just on and off after that. I played condition zero (the best remake of cs ever) on and off. Haha, i remember waiting years for CZ to come out.


Bottom line is... when 1.04 is released, don't let the fuckin insignificant details bug you. Acknowledge that it isn't the same, then move and fix it yourself. Fix it by owning at the game regardless of petty details. Though it may take some practice for you to learn that you have to make minor adjustments to your gameplay, who cares, everyone else does too.

If the accidental changes in other versions do not affect balance, then there is no problem. You're a just a shitty gamer if you can't adapt and you should quit competitive play and just go back to pubbing.


Btw, i'm sure if the cs community wasn't so shitty in this way, we would all be publicly testing the beta right now. Something to think about. ;)
finally someone said something, ive been reading all the comments of 1.6 kids being ignorant as fuck and complaining over anything that isnt exactly the same, even over fucking death animations.


i really am not in the mood to point out the pure failure of your other arguments, but ive never seen such a huge load of naive expectations in one post


So what if there is a new fuckin box added to one fuckin section of the map!!

a new box in a map can totally overthrow the balance and cause ALOT of problems, youre just incapable of seeing them.


Who the hell cares if nades do more damage! Did you fuckin forget that your nade ALSO has the same power?

YOU ABSOLUTELY CANT BE SERIOUS, what about if we all just run around with seismic charges and atom bombs. doesnt matter eh, everyone can blow up the whole map standing @ spawn eh?



So you can't BHOP like you could in 1.3? NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE!
it STILL affects the rushtimings and everything? you cant bhop the same in every area of the map, you would get a much bigger advantage bhopping to important places as a T on dust2, than being a CT


"Source sucks cuz the models are ugly! I far prefer the models in 1.6"

noone lists that as the major problem with the models? the problem is the SIZE of the models. yeah yeah ofc, youll say everyones model is that big and stuff. that would be a purely naive expectation again. it still is WAY easier to point onto WAY bigger models, CAPPING the SKILL you can reach by ALOT. imagine everyone having 500% bigger heads and not "only" 76% - you can see where this is going cant you?


i know the community rages about minor things alot but youre just being ignorant and clearly dont have the overview you would need to tell everyone to "adapt" to games and things that clearly DONT benefit the gameplay.



You're a just a shitty gamer if you can't adapt and you should quit competitive play and just go back to pubbing.


go back to playing your newly released soulless eyecandy games filled with dumb "gameplay features" such as quicktime actions and absolutely no depth. you even paid 70 bucks for them. leave this wonderful game alone

your the ignorant one sir

[Bocom]

It's an oxymoron socom, you can't honestly sit here and claim to like cs:s more than 1.6 yet cant wait for 1.6 with source graphics. google cspromod and read the title, it says the best of both games with meaning graphics from cs:s and 1.6 gameplay, this never implied to take gameplay from css yet people still think itll be a mix of the two gameplays.

Look here, zzzJohnson (if you can't bother to get my damn name right I'm not gonna bother either), if CSP kills CS:S, it will kill 1.6 too, otherwise there would be no point to this mod. At all. The reason this mod is made is to implement new features and better graphics. (Yes, the FAQ says "new features", but seeing how most 1.6 fanatics wants it to stay strictly 1.6 the team might as well remove that from the mission statement.) This also includes bug-fixes etc.

It's not contradictory at all, I prefer CS:S because the people I play 1.6 with (contrary to what your judgmental ass might believe, I play 1.6 on a nearly daily basis) doesn't play as much CS:S as they play 1.6, thus I have a better chance. Of course, they still dominate me, but I'm still enjoying it. That's not to say that I'm not enjoying 1.6, because playing with them enables me to get better, especially at communication in the team and regular gameplay too.

I used to only prefer CS:S and didn't really care about CSP that much at all, but when I started to play 1.6 more, I started to look forward to it more and more. But then I started going to the forums and saw all the CS:S hate and that made me lose a little faith in the community. People like you aren't helping. Get off your high horse and accept that yes; there are Counter-Strike: Source players who are looking forward to this mod as much as Counter-Strike 1.6 players. Get over it.

[ccJohnson]

It was an error bocom, but I see you fly off the handle over nothing :). You people who are rooting for cspm are NOT really fans of css. It makes no sense to want to play cspm yet not 1.6, you are admitting you play css for graphics as thats all thatll be left when cspm goes 1.0.

[adz88]

Well.. it IS LIKE 1.6, it's just not a remake thereof. They never tried to make it EXACTLY like 1.6, it was never their mission statement. Their job was to make a more visually appealing counter strike, and they did a damn good job at it. They didn't do a bad job at certain unique gameplay features either. I still don't understand why you're trying to remake something when you can make something better. (not that csp won't be better than 1.6, i sincerely hope it will take all the best things from 1.6, but in turn get rid of the awful shit and add some new original things that will make this game a true sport.)

Show us the mission statement where you got them facts from.... like every other thread with the supposed facts you pull out of your ass. Also you think CS:S is a more visually appealing cs and they done well ? Its cartoon guns that look like they are made out of plastic and ragdoll models. If your into that shit why not hop from CS:S to TF2 where they take cartoon effects to the next level.

[Bocom]

It was an error bocom, but I see you fly off the handle over nothing :). You people who are rooting for cspm are NOT really fans of css. It makes no sense to want to play cspm yet not 1.6, you are admitting you play css for graphics as thats all thatll be left when cspm goes 1.0.

Error? Spelling a nickname correctly isn't hard nor time consuming.

No, I'm not playing CS:S because of "graphics", I quite like a number of aspects of the game. For example: ragdolls, the grenades, the visuals, the radar etc.

That's not to say that I dislike the way 1.6 handles these things, but I still prefer how CS:S does these things. So no, you are wrong. But of course, you're not going to realize this because all you do is sit there in front of your computer, ignoring what people say and put fingers in your ears while shouting "BLA BLA BLA BLA I'M NOT LISTENING" as if you could hear what people typed on their own computers.

[Chris]

I find it funny my post was confusing to some people, one even mentioned graphics over gameplay. You can't be here supporting cspm while prefering cs:s over 1.6. The entire point of cspm is cs:s is unplayable in competition, you can't sit here saying otherwise. If you are waiting for this to come out that means you don't actually like cs:s and for some reason still play it. :(

Sure I can, just watch me.

And me! :)

[fleafunk]

Well, infern0 there is one thing you need to learn. When a game isn't accepted by the public it's not an enough good game. That's simply it. If valve made an counter-strike version good enough then the 1.6 players would change. If this mod get´s good enough players will adapt. But it's never right to blame the community of a game for not playing a newer version, then is the developers of the new version that has failed.

When they made CSS av CZ they failed to get the 1.6 players like it. It's not about that we didn't give it a shot because almost every player who do play 1.6 has tried source. But when a new game ain't as funny as the old one then it's no reason to go for it.

The developers of source had the chance to make the most popular game ever done. But they failed to see what people liked about the old version and that's why they failed. Because you can't look on it as a success when it's still by far more players playing the old version even though it's years since the source release.

And another thing, your personal attacks don´t make you look cool.

[russki]

If CS:S replaced 1.6 in the form of an update, rather than a separate game, none of you would sit here and whine about it, you'd get used to it and you'd acknowledge it as the best CS, just like everyone did with 1.6 when it replaced 1.5, and 1.5 when it replaced 1.3, and so on, so forth. There were always conservative people who didn't like change, or couldn't handle change, so it was forced upon them and they rolled over and took it. But now that you don't HAVE to switch to something new, you're gonna sit there and bash it, it's the conservative way. I personally just want to see the role that promod plays in the fate of cs... and play it of course.

[ccJohnson]

Bocom, I am on a phone, I read your name as "socom" and typed it as such. I really don't know why your name on a forum is such a big deal but I think it ties into why you enjoy css (aesthetic). You listed reasons why you like css and they were all visual except grenades, unless you are talking about how they look now.. bottom line is you don't have a real reason to be arguing, you type angry, act like a dick and try to make me look like the one who is geeking out(I have not touched my computer in a year).

[nightvenom]

Bocom, I am on a phone, I read your name as "socom" and typed it as such. I really don't know why your name on a forum is such a big deal but I think it ties into why you enjoy css (aesthetic). You listed reasons why you like css and they were all visual except grenades, unless you are talking about how they look now.. bottom line is you don't have a real reason to be arguing, you type angry, act like a dick and try to make me look like the one who is geeking out(I have not touched my computer in a year).

Proves that you do care about how people view who you are on an internet forum.
Congratulations on ruining another one of your own arguments.
You should try formulating a sentence before posting. It helps.

[jediscience]

Proves that you do care about how people view who you are on an internet forum.
Congratulations on ruining another one of your own arguments.
You should try formulating a sentence before posting. It helps.

Get back on topic. This thread is about the ability to adapt.
You obviously haven't been able to adapt from the environment on 4chan to the one on CSP forums.

inferno ..
A++ Work.
100% Agree

[ccJohnson]

nightvenom, you are not reading his posts about how I am going nuts about a post and a geek etc. he is acting that way and saying that is my behavior where in reality I am calm, don't even have a computer with me, and am trying to converse without fully aware of the English language. I can be a menace too, I may come off as passive here but words cannot reflect wordly actions so i'd appreciate not being attacked because you don't understand what I am typing.

[inspiral09]

Everything should be like 1.6, lighting, models, maps everything :D Only thing why i would play csp is the source engine(better graphix and its better netcode and i like the ragdolls :)) cs 1.6 is perfect in every way! :lol:

Ok I do admit the cs 1.6 hud is kind of boring and needs a refresh but why would you put bars behind every text in ur hud it only messes up ur view imo :geek: I'm not saying i don't like the new hud, it's looks pretty good too tho. And the radar, i don't like the fact that you can see the map now but maybe i will like it if i play with it for a while (We'll see).


Well, infern0 there is one thing you need to learn. When a game isn't accepted by the public it's not an enough good game. That's simply it. If valve made an counter-strike version good enough then the 1.6 players would change. If this mod get´s good enough players will adapt. But it's never right to blame the community of a game for not playing a newer version, then is the developers of the new version that has failed.

When they made CSS av CZ they failed to get the 1.6 players like it. It's not about that we didn't give it a shot because almost every player who do play 1.6 has tried source. But when a new game ain't as funny as the old one then it's no reason to go for it.

The developers of source had the chance to make the most popular game ever done. But they failed to see what people liked about the old version and that's why they failed. Because you can't look on it as a success when it's still by far more players playing the old version even though it's years since the source release.

And another thing, your personal attacks don´t make you look cool.

Thx

[nightvenom]

nightvenom, you are not reading his posts about how I am going nuts about a post and a geek etc. he is acting that way and saying that is my behavior where in reality I am calm, don't even have a computer with me, and am trying to converse without fully aware of the English language. I can be a menace too, I may come off as passive here but words cannot reflect wordly actions so i'd appreciate not being attacked because you don't understand what I am typing.
Would be nice to know before hand that your first language isn't English.
Like my self, your typing comes off a bit over condescending.



Proves that you do care about how people view who you are on an internet forum.
Congratulations on ruining another one of your own arguments.
You should try formulating a sentence before posting. It helps.

Get back on topic. This thread is about the ability to adapt.
You obviously haven't been able to adapt from the environment on 4chan to the one on CSP forums.

inferno ..
A++ Work.
100% Agree

The ability to adapt to a new video game.
And as a matter of fact I am avoiding trolling these forums because I'd like to see a healthy and happy community grow, unlike: www.eco-league.com (http://www.eco-league.com).
(A bit contradictory, I know.)
And 4chan, lol. I think I got passed /b/ in grade 9.

But you're right. This is a bit off topic, but I think the discussion is almost over. Both supportive and counter arguments have been posted outlining the opinion pieces good points and faults.

[proxides1]

i don't kno if its just me or what but i rlly want to see some new maps in leagues mabe with csp coming out we get make some new balanced maps to start scrimming and having matches on? I would like to start a small team to make some of these maps we have 1 very experienced mapper but would like others!!

[misfitmatt87]

Well said Inferno, Well said!