CSP_fall (Brushwork/Playtest)

[alba]

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_title.png

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_overview.png
85% CONCEPTiON
15% BRUSHWORK
05% TEXTURiNG
00% LiGHTiNG
00% DETAiLS
00% PROPS

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_layout.png
Please keep in mind that this is the layout base, I'll change half the map if I have to just to make it better,
we're going to start with this one and probably change it a little bit over the course of development but at
least you get a rough idea of what we're aiming for at this point.

http://alba.cspromod.com/forum/devlog_wip.png

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/layout_latest.jpg

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_progress.png
<screenshots go here>

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_changelog.png

02/17/10: Added map layout revision 13[/*:m:b0vcrc4a]
02/16/10: Added map layout revision 12[/*:m:b0vcrc4a]
02/15/10: Added map layout revision 11[/*:m:b0vcrc4a]
02/14/10: Added map layout revision 10[/*:m:b0vcrc4a]

Thank you for your support, we won't let you down! :-)

[geniusreddy]

Hate how you do that alba....teasing us all the time :).

[element13]

You'll know soon enough what this is about.

In the meantime, ENTERTAINMENT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

[alba]

Hate how you do that alba....teasing us all the time :).

I try my best. This is a project really dear to my heart and as soon as I got stuff to show, I will.

[Mith]

Is this the same as that spacelab thing or something totally unrelated?

[alba]

Totally unrelated, spacelab is now project3 and will be something with an original setting as I've stated before. This is more of in-transition regular theme for a map :]

what are you talking about a bike at 1am?

[y33]

estimated time until preview?

[Spritz]

Ha Ha same as with his diary. "I will post pics and updates soon!".

[alba]

You need to learn the meaning of the word soon :P

[y33]

soon is a failure of an estimation :D. bettar be gooooood!1

[alba]

Updated first post ;-)

[smartin]

cool

[veggi]

they'll wet their pants

[Mith]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you need the updated particle system from the OB engine to make any close to decent rain in the Source engine?

I know you can do some pretty good looking rain (and not hurt performance much) with it, but I've never seen it done in the Ep1 engine.

[madmax]

i know that the ep2 engine has some really good looking rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2LhfzbFo4g

[alba]

well yeah but the problem is what that much rain it'd get in the way of gameplay and a lot of people would whine about it. I want to find the correct balance between the two :)

[smartin]

you could still use the same effect alba, just lower the intensity a lot

[alba]

that's the idea, at least half the intensity and half the volume for the rain sound would be about right. If it was that loud it'd get in the way of gameplay and enemy sound positioning.

[MaveN]

i love rain and i love how it looks in this video:

i know that the ep2 engine has some really good looking rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2LhfzbFo4g

yeah some people will whine about the gameplay but thats not a reason to terminate this project

[downbad]

if this question were posed by anyone else it would have immediately been laughed out the door. that being said, i think it would be cool to see.

[alba]

Well obviously there are a lot of conservative players out there but sometimes you have to force their hands to try it and then after a while if they don't like it, fine. But the problem is to get them to give it a try first, they might enjoy it in the end :P

[element13]

This might be a hard one to pull off, but we'll see. You should do some map beta testing and choose a few people to give you some input! :D

Doesn't HAVE to be CSP beta testers. It could be a good way to involve the community a bit. ;)

edit: I don't remember who it was, but it was a while ago. Someone was working on a map for csp and got a few people to beta test it. We all got in vent, scrimmed a few times on the map, found a few bugs, made a few suggestions, and had a good time! :D

[alba]

Will probably be csp betatesters so we can combine both csp testing and map testing :) I'm going to build a base 3D stuff with dev textures to test layout and tweak it like that :)

[element13]

I found the link!

It was aTam that was making the map. I'm sure you remember that guy! lol

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/csp/an ... 5581314241 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/csp/announcements/detail/90157935581314241)

[alba]

Ahh good old days, that was so funny him going total control nuts on us and going all crazy "I MADE CSP BLABLA!" haha :lol:
Wonder what he's up to :P

[HarLe]

I'm all for new maps.

Sounds good to me. =]

[hxcguitarist]

http://alba.cspromod.com/maps/web/csp_fall_preview.jpg


Map design: alba
Mapper: [secret]
Theme: Rain but not in the bad obstructive way, competitive map at heart but an original setting.


I'll post screenshots in this space as soon as we have something nice to show :O)

I'm so down for this.

CSP_FaIl right? ;C

*jooooooookin'

[TUROcKdev]

hhehe jooooking time :D

[haGisson]

i'll turn off the weather effects anyway ^^

[alba]

CSP_FaIl right? ;C

*jooooooookin'
It was so easy, it was bound to happen. I'm impressed you took this long :D


i'll turn off the weather effects anyway ^^
That's the thing, I won't allow you to turn it off to have everyone on the same ground :)

I thought about that since you asked for the synonyms in the irc channel ;P I just couldn't hold back anymore!

[haGisson]

CSP_FaIl right? ;C

*jooooooookin'
It was so easy, it was bound to happen. I'm impressed you took this long :D


i'll turn off the weather effects anyway ^^
That's the thing, I won't allow you to turn it off to have everyone on the same ground :)

nooooooooooo :cry:

[alba]

It's the whole point of it so yeah ;)

[element13]

CSP_FaIl right? ;C

*jooooooookin'
It was so easy, it was bound to happen. I'm impressed you took this long :D


i'll turn off the weather effects anyway ^^
That's the thing, I won't allow you to turn it off to have everyone on the same ground :)

nooooooooooo :cry:

Just try it. I haved mixed feelings about the idea too, but who know, maybe we'll like it. :)

[mang]

Don't necessarily reduce the volume by much - movement-masking sounds would simply help the map to have an increased pace like CS 1.6 currently has thanks to Russian walking.

In a thread a while back I suggested that a mapper should try making a partially snow-covered map where the footsteps on the snow parts are really soft, to achieve a similar effect, and people said "this is not a suitable replacement for Russian walking because it doesn't give the player a choice about when to be silent". Frankly, though, the main argument for the Russian walk bug is that it increases the pace of the game, not that it gives more choice to the player, and an environmental feature that cuts down on audibility is an easy and realistic way of achieving this.

Also, I like the idea that some maps would have different levels of audibility to others - it's not a game feature, just a map feature, so if the gameplay turns out poor, there's no loss except on the part of the mapper who wasted time adding some snow or rain or whatever.

[downbad]

i thought y'all didnt want any ambient sounds? why dont you do a map that is snowing, that way you wouldnt have the sound in the background and still have a cool effect.

EDIT:
mang, the only problem w/ your logic is that when you have the snow on the ground, you would know which areas of the map that would be susceptible to people sneaking up on you. with russian walking it could happen anywhere. (i still like your idea tho)

[Step]

This map sounds very interesting and I think it has great potential but why call it CSP_Fall?

I understand rain fall but it just reminds me of the season fall rather than what its suppose to be.

Just saying.

Either way I'm looking forward to this map.

*EDIT* As I posted I saw the working title part. DURR HURRR

[downbad]

csp_precip (precipitation)

[esk]

csp_storm
:p lols

[element13]

csp_storm
:p lols

No offense alba, but it sounds kind of weird to say "lets play fall". It sounds good to hear "Let play inferno/d2/nuke/mill/etc.", but it doesn't sound right to me for "fall".

"Let's play storm!" <-Sounds better to me.

[alba]

csp_storm
:p lols

No offense alba, but it sounds kind of weird to say "lets play fall". It sounds good to hear "Let play inferno/d2/nuke/mill/etc.", but it doesn't sound right to me for "fall".

"Let's play storm!" <-Sounds better to me.

That's actually the first thing I said to myself and thought it was quite nice actually. Either way things can still change in the end but we'll see what happens :D

[element13]

de_inferno could of been called de_stupid, and regardless of it's name, would still be an amazing map.;)

[alba]

It's a matter of if I have enough complains or remarks pointing that direction, I might reconsider it :)

[haGisson]

de_inferno could of been called de_stupid, and regardless of it's name, would still be an amazing map.;)

let's play stupid xD

but i like the name csp_fall

[mang]

I'm sure the name csp_storm would be disappointing to many people who expected it to be a remake of de_storm.

@downbad, I realise that crouch-running gives more freedom to the player who wants to go undetected, but I don't think that freedom is necessarily a good thing. It essentially takes footstep noises out of the game, especially at LAN tournaments with a lot of background noise. The only strong argument in favour of it is that it changes the pace of the game, and having partially snow-covered maps is a very different way of achieving a similar pace by encouraging players to run in certain parts of the map.

[madmax]

@alba i dont know what theme i you plan on having exept for the rain but how about aztec theme since de_aztec had rain in it.
but de_aztec will never be a competitive map anymore and there isent any other aztec map :D

P.S. just a a thouht is the maper j0lt? he have not been seen in this forum since he finished csp_edge? or what ever that map was called

[haGisson]

@alba i dont know what theme i you plan on having exept for the rain but how about aztec theme since de_aztec had rain in it.
but de_aztec will never be a competitive map anymore and there isent any other aztec map :D

P.S. just a a thouht is the maper j0lt? he have not been seen in this forum since he finished csp_edge? or what ever that map was called

there is another aztec map, aztec2 by barney
http://ftpg.corbina.ru/pub/maps/cs/over ... aztec2.bmp (http://ftpg.corbina.ru/pub/maps/cs/overviews/de_aztec2.bmp)

why not take another great cs-map and make an aztec themed map?

[madmax]

@alba i dont know what theme i you plan on having exept for the rain but how about aztec theme since de_aztec had rain in it.
but de_aztec will never be a competitive map anymore and there isent any other aztec map :D

P.S. just a a thouht is the maper j0lt? he have not been seen in this forum since he finished csp_edge? or what ever that map was called

there is another aztec map, aztec2 by barney
http://ftpg.corbina.ru/pub/maps/cs/over ... aztec2.bmp (http://ftpg.corbina.ru/pub/maps/cs/overviews/de_aztec2.bmp)
aztec 2 is rubbish :D

[alba]

It will be nothing like Aztec, I can tell you that :P

[element13]

You know what would be badass? A night-time themed competitive map. The closest "good" night themed map I could think of is the cz map de_czl_silo.

http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/9123

That was such a fun map to play back in the cz days! :D

[spunge]

Don't call it storm. I've remade de_storm for league play, and I'm in the process of converting it to source engine. If it's good (& fixed up abit by source mappers) it will deserve to be csp_storm :>!

[esk]

ok if not csp_storm then..
what about, idk maybe csp_downpour?

[element13]

ok if not csp_storm then..
what about, idk maybe csp_downpour?

That's almost as weird as downbad's "csp_precip", no offense downbad or you esk, lol! :D

[madmax]

ok if not csp_storm then..
what about, idk maybe csp_downpour?
yeah like rainy map in cod4

[esk]

That's where i got the idea from :lol:

I like csp_falldowntehstairs

[j0lt]

Fall is a perfect name imo. It's original and just has a good ring to it for the name of a competitive map.

[motomike]

Fall is a perfect name imo. It's original and just has a good ring to it for the name of a competitive map.
reminds me to much of season imo :D

[alba]

ok if not csp_storm then..
what about, idk maybe csp_downpour?
Too long plus it doesn't have that nice ring to it :P



reminds me to much of season imo :D
I see what you did there!

[mang]

@element13, de_inferno_cz was night-themed as well.

[element13]

@element13, de_inferno_cz was night-themed as well.

Yea, you're right. lol.

It was different, but it came out nice. I liked the boxes near crackhouse where you can jump into the window without any boosting! :D

[mang]

csp_shower?

[alba]

I'm looking for someone who speaks/writes russian and can translate english stuff into russian for me. It's related to this map I'm doing some research and I'm going to make logo decals and so on so if you can help, let me know.

[madmax]

i know some one who can he's called "google translte" :lol: :lol: :lol:

[JoeyBruz]

i know some one who can he's called "google translte" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Google Translator**

But I prefer World Lingo for translations =].

Can't wait to see some progress on your map Alba! Rain will be interesting. Altho my rig is pretty fail so I may experience horrid FPS lag but all is good.

[TUROcKdev]

yes =) use a translater tool/program to choose the best decale textures ;)

[alba]

i know some one who can he's called "google translte" :lol: :lol: :lol:

I want proper authentic translation since I want to do things right, sorry :p Google ain't going to cut it.

[JoeyBruz]

How badly will this rain effect my FPS?

[alba]

It won't :)

[madmax]

so it will rain and it will be in russia what more can you say aout it? :mrgreen:

[TUROcKdev]

maybe the terrors can only use AK-47 :D

[alba]

so it will rain and it will be in russia what more can you say aout it? :mrgreen:
I won't say anything else than that. You'll see ;-) Beta testers will probably see it first though!

[madmax]

the mapper could that be redstar?

he did not finish italy becouse now he is working on another map

found this conversation on irc

<@alba> tu dois le faire en une ligne
<@alba> ou sinon ca va pas :D
<+redstar> oui
<+redstar> je viens de voir lol
<+redstar> ça fait 2 lignes xD

quickly translated into english in google translate it says:
alba: you must do so in a line or otherwise will not ca
redstar: yes I just saw lol it is 2 lines xD

what is that line and what map is redstar working on???

[smartin]

the mapper could that be redstar?

he did not finish italy becouse now he is working on another map

found this conversation on irc

<@alba> tu dois le faire en une ligne
<@alba> ou sinon ca va pas :D
<+redstar> oui
<+redstar> je viens de voir lol
<+redstar> ça fait 2 lignes xD

quickly translated into english in google translate it says:
alba: you must do so in a line or otherwise will not ca
redstar: yes I just saw lol it is 2 lines xD

what is that line and what map is redstar working on???
LOL that was redstar trying to set his setinfo.

[madmax]

the mapper could that be redstar?

he did not finish italy becouse now he is working on another map

found this conversation on irc

<@alba> tu dois le faire en une ligne
<@alba> ou sinon ca va pas :D
<+redstar> oui
<+redstar> je viens de voir lol
<+redstar> ça fait 2 lignes xD

quickly translated into english in google translate it says:
alba: you must do so in a line or otherwise will not ca
redstar: yes I just saw lol it is 2 lines xD
what is that line and what map is redstar working on???
LOL that was redstar trying to set his setinfo.
haha okey

[alba]

;-)

[1nfern0]

Damn, man. This sounds like it could be a really awesome map. It could have a unique atmosphere (look at all common 1.6 maps, they are all generally the same).

When I first saw the title I thought of like an autumn atmosphere. Maybe some dead leaves lying around, possibly gloomy look. Maybe just how it looks and feels on halloween night in a way.. Autumn tone ^^

The rainfall idea sounds great and I know you can find the right balance. I love seeing maps in different atmospheres especially when tehy are made by a creative person who knows themes.

I'm really eager to see/play this map! I'm all worked up now ><

[messey]

looking forward to the rain

any screenshots available yet?

[alba]

Nope still in concept/layout stage so nothing for a while :P

[haGisson]

Nope still in concept/layout stage so nothing for a while :P

= haven't found a mapper yet

[alba]

I have a mapper. I'm just so busy with so much stuff to do, I first need to finish the proper concept/layout which I've been drawing then have mike go over it since he's good at balancing and then give it to my mapper for him to start doing the basic layout in 3D and that's when we'll start testing it with the beta testers :)

[cryeR]

i know that the ep2 engine has some really good looking rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2LhfzbFo4g

//warning warez -> but used in the video http://rapidshare.com/files/155853850/P ... nchmark.7z (http://rapidshare.com/files/155853850/Particle_benchmark.7z)

[haGisson]

hope the rain will not be hardware hungry

[SirK]

anything new here?^^
or are you busy making csp ready for release?^^

[alba]

busy on csp and my layout is about half done in terms of planning so. I have lots of priorities before I can come back to it but I got my translation thanks to Alexei and I'll be able to start my decals soon :O)

[haGisson]

so it takes place somewhere in russia, nice :)

[SirK]

looking forward to this =)

[madmax]

since its Russia you might want consider having snow instead of rain:D

[SirK]

mh i think with rain it would be a nice atmo,just like stalker ^^

I don't like rain ...

Rain = clouds = no sun = dark map = no sight as cs1.6 player

btw can we port 90x90 png files to csp? Would love that ;)))

[madmax]

I don't like rain ...

Rain = clouds = no sun = dark map = no sight as cs1.6 player

btw can we port 90x90 png files to csp? Would love that ;)))
you wanna port your avatars?

Yes with all the transpatrent parts ;()

ps we should stay on topic alba has this engine "wet textures"?

[madmax]

Yes with all the transpatrent parts ;()
tto like a spray?

if so you need to make it a TGA

[alba]

since its Russia you might want consider having snow instead of rain:D
I was considering having a little bit of both maybe a bit of snow and some rain I haven't decided yet, it's what makes the most sense in the end.


I don't like rain ...

Rain = clouds = no sun = dark map = no sight as cs1.6 player

btw can we port 90x90 png files to csp? Would love that ;)))
Not quite, I want this to be a competitive map so it'll be really light, even if it doesn't really make sense I want it to be light enough and retain my idea for the rain and it may be something most people think of rain like really hard crazy rain that doesn't stop at all. My idea is more of a peaceful rain and if it's possible in the engine to have it stop a bit and then start again I don't know. It's all ideas just now :)

you can use rain + sunlight no problem just make sure you have teh rainbow at 40 degree ;X

[SirK]

yeah a rainbow =)
lets see what cartman has to say:
[youtube:zzups4ch]ZPkBq1sUZLE[/youtube:zzups4ch]

[element13]

yeah a rainbow =)
lets see what cartman has to say:
[youtube:3ol9lvpc]ZPkBq1sUZLE[/youtube:3ol9lvpc]

haha! :lol:

[Improved]

I have a mapper. I'm just so busy with so much stuff to do, I first need to finish the proper concept/layout which I've been drawing then have mike go over it since he's good at balancing and then give it to my mapper for him to start doing the basic layout in 3D and that's when we'll start testing it with the beta testers :)

3D Mike?

[smartin]

no, doublethink mike

[VIDEN]

Sounds nice : )

[alba]

Should have new stuff to post here tonight, decal wise and maybe a pre-overview nothing final but at least you get to see a bit what we're trying to do :)

[Improved]

Should have new stuff to post here tonight, decal wise and maybe a pre-overview nothing final but at least you get to see a bit what we're trying to do :)

Oh, me likes! Cant wait! Awsomeness in its pure form! Show me the money!

/high on sugar soz :P

[Improved]

Still waiting Alba, where are those screenshots?

Thanks in advance! :P

[haGisson]

wanna see the screens ;)

[RATpope]

yea "last night" was several days ago alba...

[Improved]

Should have new stuff to post here tonight, decal wise and maybe a pre-overview nothing final but at least you get to see a bit what we're trying to do :)

Where are those screenshots alba?

:twisted:

[Spritz]

Typically Alba, wouldn't expect anything else.

[alba]

Sorry I had christmas, new year and lots of last minutes 1.04 stuff to do. I did progress but as usual I don't post until I'm happy about it (which I thought I'd have by then but didn't) so rub it in and enjoy yourselves. Typical me obviously ;-)

[Improved]

Sorry I had christmas, new year and lots of last minutes 1.04 stuff to do. I did progress but as usual I don't post until I'm happy about it (which I thought I'd have by then but didn't) so rub it in and enjoy yourselves. Typical me obviously ;-)

Nah its cool man, but you wrote so we assumed, you know? Its all good though, take your time, cause know the screens will be even better than at first.

Thanks for responding mate, cheers.

[wHEElEr]

You have any screens of any of ur stuff? Im excited :D

[CREETEN]

gimme screenies plies i like

[alba]

We've got a base map file right now and we're going to be revising the layout a few times before adding any details, the process of making this map is unlike anything i've done before since I'm going with ideas first over layout and building the layout directly in 3D and extensively testing it ingame before adding any details so we can move anything around quickly. It's taking a lot of thinking and I really, really want this map to become something players like and something that's extremely competitive :)

I've done some start of texture and a base of logo that i'm almost done but you'll hear or see more about it when we reach something that's a bit better (even with dev textures) I plan on updating the community regularly and ask for feedback/ideas!

[hxcguitarist]

Woot! Sounds awesome! Will this become an official CSP map like Season has?

[tiger]

Why wouldn't it? :)

You seem to be taking this project very seriously, alba. I'm sure the outcome will be awesome!

[wHEElEr]

im definitely excited...

what are you thinking environment wise? nighttime-city-street-warehousey craziness i hope :D

[alba]

Russian town with a little bit of rain & the time of day isn't decided yet, I wanna go for dusk :)

And yes I'm taking this map very seriously because we need new maps. I'm tired of remakes. I want old cs to be back, people finding new spots and making new strategies. dust2 and the others are fine but new stuff is exciting too :O

I'll make sure to do 100 betas if I have to to make it perfect.

[element13]

When CZ was somewhat alive, the thing I loved most about it was the variety of maps that were used in leagues.

There were so many good/new maps that were always fun to play. (Silo, freight, karnak, arsenal, and all the variations of the default maps)

D2, Inferno, Nuke, and Train are all fun maps, but it's great to see NEW maps.

[1nfern0]

Yeah I've played all the classic competitive maps literally thousands of times each. I'm dead tired of those maps. So a map like alba's is a wish come true. To see you putting so much dedication into it gives me a lot of hope this project won't die and will become great.

And if j0lt sticks to his aztec (which i'm sure he will), we can all look forward to a very awesome gaming experience with csp 8-) . There's also a few other promising projects in production =D

Btw dusk sounds perfect... with the sun setting in the horizon and everything haha. Man, can hardly wait for some of these maps.

[Love1em1All]

Tuscan?
Strike?
Mill?
...

They are maps, it's just that it's not played in pracc, dunno why...

Whatever, i can't wait to see your map, Alba :)

[n69ky]

And if j0lt sticks to his aztec (which i'm sure he will), we can all look forward to a very awesome gaming experience with csp 8-) . There's also a few other promising projects in production =D

shame you forgot me!

[1nfern0]

And if j0lt sticks to his aztec (which i'm sure he will), we can all look forward to a very awesome gaming experience with csp 8-) . There's also a few other promising projects in production =D

shame you forgot me!

haha yeah sorry. Ended up typing up a bunch of names but realized I didn't want this to go off-topic with my random shout out list. So i backspaced em all and put in the last line. ;) <3

[RATpope]

i hope most of the maps make it into the beta also you guys should use csp_venice and csp_cannals they look nice and could be the next dust maps.

[eSportler]

They couldn't.

[RATpope]

as long as they ask permision i dont see why not

[eSportler]

Because they aren't as good as de_dust2. Yeah, they are awesome but you need something more than awesomeness to become one of the most played maps in our universe.

[alba]

Ok so i've finally settled with redstar on a new layout, I redid it from scratch since I wasn't really happy with what I had, now I'm in the progress of digitalizing from my sheet of paper and will post it in the OP when it's all done :)

[1nfern0]

Ok so i've finally settled with redstar on a new layout, I redid it from scratch since I wasn't really happy with what I had, now I'm in the progress of digitalizing from my sheet of paper and will post it in the OP when it's all done :)

Hmm, somewhere will you post your original layout to sooth my curiosity or is it forever lost in time?

[alba]

Lost forever, I wasn't happy with it and I couldn't loop the t spawn to the rest of the map, which is now solved in this new one.

[mang]

I look forward to seeing it. By the way, the phrase in English is "Got a jacket at hand?" without an S at the end.

[1nfern0]

I look forward to seeing it. By the way, the phrase in English is "Got a jacket at hand?" without an S at the end.

While we're talking about the slogan... "Good." implies that you are assuming every person does indeed have a jacket at hand. I think "Good" should be omitted but w/e it's just a slogan!

[alba]

Don't worry too much about it, I'll change the banner soon enough anyway :P

[smartin]

I look forward to seeing it. By the way, the phrase in English is "Got a jacket at hand?" without an S at the end.

While we're talking about the slogan... "Good." implies that you are assuming every person does indeed have a jacket at hand. I think "Good" should be omitted but w/e it's just a slogan!
Overkill

[Love1em1All]

Can't wait to see your layout, guys !

[alba]

I updated the OP, posted the layouts and will post the detailed layout tomorrow. Until them let me know what you think etc.

[element13]

Somewhat reminds me of freight from CZ. Looks promising, keep up the good work! :D

[haGisson]

nice layout man :)

[madmax]

good work but the banner does not fit the csp theme really

[n69ky]

loox nice :) what theme? ;O russia?

[Love1em1All]

You gotta be kidding me !

I did a map on 1.6 with a very similar layout... a mid like that, with double door to A... Similar things...

That's funny ! :)

I wanted to port it to csp... but i guess that won't be necessary :p)

If you want, i can't post the 1.6 overview as weel as the draw for csp that i made, if you want to pick some ideas ;)

Very funny, indeed !

[smartin]

Fresh 2 death

[Improved]

Nice layout, but I see too many crates all over the place tbh. There are other ways to block players view, for example buildings cutouts, those are excellent for blocking view. Crates are not needed anymore with todays creativity. Over at Lanmaniax (http://www.lanmaniax.com/) you have some nice maps without necessarily using too many crates.

[1nfern0]

Looks awesome man. It's all about getting a beta version out so everyone can test it in matches. It's really hard to critique a map without really trying it first. Thanks a lot for update, really looking forward to testing it out.


You gotta be kidding me !

I did a map on 1.6 with a very similar layout... a mid like that, with double door to A... Similar things...

That's funny ! :)

I wanted to port it to csp... but i guess that won't be necessary :p)

If you want, i can't post the 1.6 overview as weel as the draw for csp that i made, if you want to pick some ideas ;)

Very funny, indeed !

haha yeah. By now everyone has a similar map to someone elses. It's like music.

[hxcguitarist]

Nice update man! Do you have any preview textures?

[alba]

Nice layout, but I see too many crates all over the place tbh. There are other ways to block players view, for example buildings cutouts, those are excellent for blocking view. Crates are not needed anymore with todays creativity. Over at Lanmaniax (http://www.lanmaniax.com/) you have some nice maps without necessarily using too many crates.

I know. But there are never too many crates! This is CS we live for crates :lol:
On a more serious note, the crates are just a simple way to look at how to block layout for the time being, obviously there are way too many right now but i'm gonna move them around or add some or remove some but it's just to see how I can turn things around depending on what happens during the development.

Right now I've still got a few things I want to fix and change, I just posted what I had.


loox nice :) what theme? ;O russia?
Yes, that was fixed a long time ago :P


Nice update man! Do you have any preview textures?
Not yet, but I've made some progress to the terrorist group logo (still WIP though)
http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_group_test_003.png

:)

[Love1em1All]

Nice work :)

[hxcguitarist]

That logo is awesome! Do the Counter-Terrorist get something that badass?

[satzeN]

awesome job Alba!

[alba]

Well I'll probably look for some special Russian anti-terrorist group logo or create my own or just make something that's "police-like" I don't know yet... it's still all a work in progress as I've said many times :D

[yuri]

Well I'll probably look for some special Russian anti-terrorist group logo or create my own or just make something that's "police-like"
Military AT groups are commonly called SPECNAZ: ?????? ???????????? ?????????? = ???????
Special AT nonmilitary group is called Alpha - ????? or just A <- wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Group)

[n69ky]

This better be in...grrraawrr

[russki]

Alba.. You know Russian?

[alba]

Nope, I've had all of it translated by a friendly russian guy called Alexey who's been really helpful. What can I say? I'm a sucker for details ;)

[n69ky]

if wou would suck in details you would have just used Google-translater

[thekodols]

Is it meant to be fall as in falling down? The reason I'm asking is, the russaian translation means that. I thought it was fall as in season, but that would translate as "?????".

[yuri]

Is it meant to be fall as in falling down?
Look at the voting in the head of this thread. The reason for this title is explained there pretty well xD

[n69ky]

it means the rain is FALLING :O so yeah falling :P

[thekodols]

All I'm saying is it loses the double meaning intended when translated in russian. A fall being a season when it _rains_ a lot and fall being a fall of an empire or authority or whatever which im gathering from the terrorist group logo ("in time everyone will live over the falling").

[russki]

Well I'll probably look for some special Russian anti-terrorist group logo or create my own or just make something that's "police-like"
Military AT groups are commonly called SPECNAZ: ?????? ???????????? ?????????? = ???????
Special AT nonmilitary group is called Alpha - ????? or just A <- wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Group)

Alpha has been disbanded in like.. 1992 or something like that.

edit* nvm it was SOBR, and it was 2002. Then again.. wiki could've been updated, last time I read it, I was sure that Alpha Group was disbanded with the KGB.

[gregggggg]

im not gonna lie, but that layout/overview looks exactly like de_ballast

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm20/explicit56/de_ballast_rc20000.jpg

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_layout_base.jpg

[hxcguitarist]

There's enough differences to make it noticeably different. Tuscan is similar to mill. So what?

[alba]

im not gonna lie, but that layout/overview looks exactly like de_ballast

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm20 ... c20000.jpg (http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm20/explicit56/de_ballast_rc20000.jpg)

You need to learn what the word "exactly" means. This map maybe have a similar shape in a few areas but it's not the same at all. First time I see it lol, funny.


Is it meant to be fall as in falling down? The reason I'm asking is, the russaian translation means that. I thought it was fall as in season, but that would translate as "?????".
Yes, it's meant to be "Falling down" not the season at all.

[szidzse]

alba and what is that russian word? :D
btw the layout is cool for me is complicated but its ok 8-)

[1nfern0]

im not gonna lie, but that layout/overview looks exactly like de_ballast

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm20/explicit56/de_ballast_rc20000.jpg

http://alba.cspromod.com/csp_fall/fall_layout_base.jpg

Aw man I wish you were kidding lmao. That map barely looks like alba's.

The only similarities are that both have a T spawn, CT spawn, B site, A site, Mid just like every other de_ map made. Oh and maybe that banana-shaped path in bottom left corner.

Again, all maps nowa days are guaranteed to replicate another map is some form. There's an overflow of content, it's just bound to happen. It's like music.

Shame on you.

[alba]

alba and what is that russian word? :D

Little backstory here. The map is csp_fall and "fall" is what I've decided to name my fictional Russian terrorist group within the map. So they're gonna have some branded box and shit inside the map to give it its own look and so on.

So the logo text is "Fall" and the sub-text is the slogan which basically means "In the end, they will all ... (fall) ..."

There you go :P

[szidzse]

nice 8-) we'll be waiting for the map

[Spritz]

I really thought it was the season O_o.

[haGisson]

I really thought it was the season O_o.

same here

[Chris]

Looks good, looking forward to trying it out :)

[wHEElEr]

reminds me of comrade, damn i loved that map :)

[LiqzZ]

Looks cool :D

[LcH]

I don't want any rain in my maps PLEASE!

[szidzse]

welcome to 2010 ;)

[1nfern0]

I don't want any rain in my maps PLEASE!

Relax ;) The rain won't have any negative effect on you. If for whatever reason that the rain does end up screwing up the majority of persons' experiences, then I'm sure alba will remove it.

It's only going to add to a nice, unique experience.


And yeah, i thought it was the season as well :lol:

[Shadowflak]

This is the best concept I've seen so far.

[Kryptonite]

really cool :D

[JUGGERN]

I don't want any rain in my maps PLEASE!

Relax ;) The rain won't have any negative effect on you. If for whatever reason that the rain does end up screwing up the majority of persons' experiences, then I'm sure alba will remove it.

It's only going to add to a nice, unique experience.


And yeah, i thought it was the season as well :lol:
cl_weather 0 :)

[alba]

That's actually something I don't want to allow since it would break the balance of the game and everyone would go without rain because it'd be easier. I want to make this map have a unique setting and be the same for everyone. I want to at least give a try to rain and make it as competitive as can be but obviously down the line if the rain doesn't work and everyone is against it I'll have to remove it but for now I'll try everything I can to make people accept it in the map. Besides it's not going to rain on the whole map since I have split one bombsite outside, one inside and some parts of the map will be covered so it won't rain everywhere. Trust me I know how important the cs gameplay is and how maps should be worked around with to get the best results.

The only thing I don't want is to play de_dust2 for the next 20 years. You just need to focus on the competitive side of things before thinking about making "a pretty map" or something like that. I'll do my best to make sure it looks good and clean and at the same time is original enough that down the line people would go "I think you should use fall theme for this map" instead of "I think you should use inferno theme for this map". Way too many people just make industrial looking map that's really generic.

CS had a lot of variety when it came out. You got dust2, inferno, aztec etc and all of them have distinct style which is what I want. SOMETHING NEW!

</rant>

[fa1]

Marry me alba! <3

[mat]

alba I guess you could put thunder sounds as trigger for people entering the outside bombsite or something, would be kinda cool.

[madmax]

alba I guess you could put thunder sounds as trigger for people entering the outside bombsite or something, would be kinda cool.
this would ruin the gameplay like aztec when you cross the brige ;)

[Love1em1All]

Alba, i loved what you just said :)

But as the map will took some time to be played competitively, perhaps promod should encourage people to play on different maps such as tuscan, season, strike, and why not russka, forge, or aztec version jolt !

But anyway, keep it up and can't wait for screens :)

[downbad]

alba I guess you could put thunder sounds as trigger for people entering the outside bombsite or something, would be kinda cool.
this would ruin the gameplay like aztec when you cross the brige ;)

have you ever played de_train?

[1nfern0]

alba I guess you could put thunder sounds as trigger for people entering the outside bombsite or something, would be kinda cool.
this would ruin the gameplay like aztec when you cross the brige ;)

have you ever played de_train?

haha yeah, airplane and bird.

"DON'T SET OFF THE BIRD :x "

[fuckingjohan]

where is the bird? :o i only know about the airplane and the dog :)

[alba]

I don't think I want to put any trigger sounds.

[Vainglory]

good

[mang]

I guess I should have said this earlier on, but as a first-language speaker of English, the name of this map really doesn't sit well with me. I know that it refers to rainfall, but in English usage that meaning is simply not readily understood and doesn't offer a snappy description of the map. On top of that, there is the issue with people in the USA using "Fall" to refer to autumn, the season.

Alba, I know you are a crazy perfectionist, and I hope you take this concern into consideration. I think CSP_fall works fine as a codename or temporary name for the project, but I think the name needs to be given more thought once the map is complete.

[j0lt]

I think fall is a seriously awesome name. As an Australian the first logical thought of it is rainfall, as we don't call autumn fall. Even with that association of fall to the season, it could always refer to a company called 'Fall Industries' or something more creative, much like in de_season.

I think it's more important that the name sounds good and is catchy and easy to say, 'lets go scrim fall' works well.

[Mith]

csp_precipitation

Do it

[gregggggg]

csp_rainfall
csp_thunder
csp_storm
csp_stormsurge
csp_downpour

anyways i like it and what you said about originality in maps and not all being like dust2, i agree. you have the dust2's, the mill's, the contras, but you really dont have a nuke. someone should try to make a successful "nuke" map layout.

[yuri]

csp_storm
There shouldnt be a relation with de_storm, which is rly terrible map xD

[mikemhz]

Way too many people just make industrial looking map that's really generic.

It's true. Probably because industrial textures are so common and pointless areas with a lot of containers for cover are most easily explained by sticking a forklift in there somewhere and calling it a warehouse, factory or dock.

Anything else requires more planning. Most people just jump in and make a map.

But that's why artist and level designer are two different roles. Maybe the mod community should start working in teams to make levels. That would raise the overall quality and allow people to concentrate on mastering one aspect of game design at a time.

[mang]

I think fall is a seriously awesome name. As an Australian the first logical thought of it is rainfall, as we don't call autumn fall.I guess I've had too much exposure to the US via television, relatives and CS. However, we don't call rainfall "fall" in Australia either. If I have to think about it, it puts me in mind of a person falling over.

If we're listing kick-ass words for rain, how about "deluge"?

[alba]

I guess I should have said this earlier on, but as a first-language speaker of English, the name of this map really doesn't sit well with me. I know that it refers to rainfall...
It does not refer to rainfall, it only implies it as a secondary meaning. The name "fall" comes from the fictional terrorist group I'm building for this map and also refers to "The fall of ..." something as in the end, the "fall of a regime" or something if you get what I mean. That's what it stands for at first and it has nothing to do with the season or rainfall, just happens to be connected in a way 8-)


I think it's more important that the name sounds good and is catchy and easy to say, 'lets go scrim fall' works well.

That's the first question I asked myself when trying to come up with the name.

[Saint]

csp_TYPHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

[mang]

It does not refer to rainfall, it only implies it as a secondary meaning. The name "fall" comes from the fictional terrorist group I'm building for this map and also refers to "The fall of ..." something as in the end, the "fall of a regime" or something if you get what I mean. That's what it stands for at first and it has nothing to do with the season or rainfall, just happens to be connected in a way 8-) Ah, my mistake. This works fine in my opinion. Still Typhoon is a pretty cool name. :P

[alba]

I already settled on fall so yeah... and typhoon is irrelevant to what the map is supposed to be about so... no :P
Updated OP with the latest layout preview, I'm remaking all the boxes at the moment so don't be shocked if a lot of them are missing right now, still pondering about all that.

[Love1em1All]

Nice ! Need screen anyway :p

[Improved]

WE WANTZ SCREENIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plz :P

[n69ky]

mmh and weener ;X

[alba]

I think next revision we'll post some screenshots even if it's still all dev textures at least you'll get to see how shit looks right now in 3D. Just keep in mind it's very early and there are still a lot of things to be added/changed/modified/removed so... take nothing for granted :P

[SpikeMeister]

Yay

[Redstar]

Hello everyone!
I'd like to quickly update you guys on the progress of csp_fall
The basic building of the map is done since mid february and we feel that it's now pretty solid. Although we spent a lot of time working on csp_fall from mid february to late february resulting in fast and efficient progress, things have been really slow lately.
I'll start working again on the map during the upcoming days so we can make a proper update with screenshots and detailed information next week. Like Alba said we're still using dev textures, we want to make sure that every part of the map has been fully tested before I start working on the visual part.

Thanks for your support!

[hxcguitarist]

Nice update :) Can't wait to try this map out!

[smilesger]

do you have some news ? :)

[Redstar]

csp_fall is on standby for now, we did make a lot of progress a few months ago (nothing new since february) but right now alba and I have other csp stuff that we need to focus on. I really hope that we'll be able to get back to it and update you guys soon because it's a really great and exciting project :>

[Jobashi]

I'm so looking forward to this shizzle³

keep up the great work !

[n69ky]

the truth is alba has some RL project: getting that asian girlfriend (who are nerdy chicks anyway)... :E *cheers alba :F

[alba]

Yeah, real busy these days. Got my new blog design, portfolio design, finishing scripting/tweaking colors of the new vgui stuff for 1.05, scoreboard icons and countless of other things.

I had an overview for the map but some part just didn't work and I wanted to rework them so I've changed quite a bit of things on it and since it's not completely finished right now, red can't work on the map. I should be able to finish this soon, I hope :P

[Redstar]

I want to update this thread

[TUROcKdev]

hope it =P

[wHEElEr]

I want to update this thread

do it to it red.

[leetlamer]

The images are down. Anyone know where I can find them?

[n69ky]

The images are down. Anyone know where I can find them?

you want pictures from "THE" (the-pictures)? http://www.google.de/images?&q=THE


im sorry... this is a real smap omg wait i'll ask :P

[alba]

The FTP moving process deleted those. I'll have a whole new thing going with fall after 1.05 release most likely :)