The Venus Project

[gregggggg]

sign the petition gogogogo

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/The-future-that-Humanity-Deserves

[eveo]

gay

[peeK]

gay

[mikemhz]

peek and eveo... you've obviously both got some latent homosexuality problems. get a room. this is Venus, not Uranus.

the venus project is all about evolving as a species and getting out of this rat race we call democracy (even though the only people with power are those with enough money to influence us with marketing and propaganda). it's the quest for utopia. great authors (Orwell, Huxley, Wells) tend to predict doom and gloom when talking about an immaculate society. but nonetheless, it's what human civilization has always aspired to reach. and i hope we see some major positive changes in the direction that The Venus Project describes while i am alive.

[eveo]

peek and eveo... you've obviously both got some latent homosexuality problems. get a room. this is Venus, not Uranus.

the venus project is all about evolving as a species and getting out of this rat race we call democracy (even though the only people with power are those with enough money to influence us with marketing and propaganda). it's the quest for utopia. great authors (Orwell, Huxley, Wells) tend to predict doom and gloom when talking about an immaculate society. but nonetheless, it's what human civilization has always aspired to reach. and i hope we see some major positive changes in the direction that The Venus Project describes while i am alive.

yet democracy enables you the right to freedom in which you spent typing a paragraph demeaning democracy on a forum filled with 12 year old gamers

quite ironic (btw my life is virtually perfect right now due to Canada's immaculate democratic system)

enjoy your theoretical idealism

[mikemhz]

I actually only wrote one sentence about how crappy our democracy is, but here's some more.

I live in the UK... it's pretty good, but the conservative party are probably going to win the election this year because no one likes Gordon Brown. The two party system is not freedom (see Eddie Izzard, "Cake or Death?"). Only those politicians who have the backing of major businesses and newspapers get in the press.

I may be privileged enough to live in London and go to university. But what about all the nations we rape economically and randomly bomb because our politicians make bad, greedy decisions?

The UK voted against war, yet we still joined America in the war. The people did not vote our current Prime Minister in (not that we have many options).

I'm happy in the democracy within which I live, but I don't enjoy politics because it's full of twats (see the BBC documentary: Iran and the West). It's only the desire to encourage positive change that makes me speak out (because change is inevitable and it might as well be positive).

Congratulations on living in Canada. It's a liberal culture and naturally beautiful country. It's a shame that due the monetary system, your comfort is generally at the expense of someone else's misery, even if they are in another country.

(And about the 12 y/o gamers. Why not? In fact it makes more sense to appeal to that demographic than trying to knock off old, jaded politicians or change the corrupted mind of a 50 y/o British National Party fanatic. Songs of Innocence and Experience, William Blake.

I prefer protest through music. Some of my acquaintances:
Kate Tempest/Sound of Rum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWbilDsEwbA) (one of my best mates)
The Speaker's Corner Quartet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQDFucgMwg0) (drummer i've known for years. they started the 12 Tone Collective (http://12tone.co.uk/))
United Vibrations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdaVBUTaIgI) (they are also part of the 12 Tone Collective, speak at length about it and some play in SCQ)
Skinnyman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu_OA0r0RM) (my mates producing the tracks for his next album)
Lowkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcoc9Ny1BD4) (know him through Kate)

All of these artists are very outspoken about ways in which we could improve our outlook on society and ourselves.

[j0lt]

As nice as a society like that sounds, it will be near impossible to make the transition fully to it. We're probably not going to even start moving towards it, at least while fossil fuels are still plentiful (which they are). And even if we did start, we wouldn't finish; leaving us with a deformed society and we'd probably be in some trouble.

[eveo]

Congratulations on living in Canada. It's a liberal culture and naturally beautiful country. It's a shame that due the monetary system, your comfort is generally at the expense of someone else's misery, even if they are in another country.

legit don't even care about 3rd world countries, im not there, im here and frankly i love it where I am. i dont see why i have to take in consideration people who ive never met or know and affect my well-being for pointless reasons.

fuck the russian commies
fuck the crisis in haiti
fuck the volcanos in hawaii
fuck the war in iraq

i dont care, i live fine.

[cashed]

Canada can easily move to a resource base economy. Only Russia has greater resources, but Canada has a much smaller population. We already export more energy to the US then what we use, but it's all politics.

[Gotta]

Congratulations on living in Canada. It's a liberal culture and naturally beautiful country. It's a shame that due the monetary system, your comfort is generally at the expense of someone else's misery, even if they are in another country.

legit don't even care about 3rd world countries, im not there, im here and frankly i love it where I am. i dont see why i have to take in consideration people who ive never met or know and affect my well-being for pointless reasons.

fuck the russian commies
fuck the crisis in haiti
fuck the volcanos in hawaii
fuck the war in iraq

i dont care, i live fine.
edit:
Don't feel like starting this argument, I know I'll be right, but you will never admit it.

Sum of my points, you're ignorant and have a horribly self centered attitude.

[eveo]

Congratulations on living in Canada. It's a liberal culture and naturally beautiful country. It's a shame that due the monetary system, your comfort is generally at the expense of someone else's misery, even if they are in another country.

legit don't even care about 3rd world countries, im not there, im here and frankly i love it where I am. i dont see why i have to take in consideration people who ive never met or know and affect my well-being for pointless reasons.

fuck the russian commies
fuck the crisis in haiti
fuck the volcanos in hawaii
fuck the war in iraq

i dont care, i live fine.
edit:
Don't feel like starting this argument, I know I'll be right, but you will never admit it.

Sum of my points, you're ignorant and have a horribly self centered attitude.

because that is what matters, everything I do in life is relative to myself. isn't that kind of obvious, no single person in this world lives solely for another human being. i go to university to educated myself, i play games to entertain myself, i work a 9-5 job to entertain myself. im almost positive 100% of the worlds population performs most activities in one way or another to benefit themselves be it consciously, indirectly, subconsciously and directly. thats not to say i wont lend a buddy a few bucks here and there and perform miniscule favours like the average person, but 99% of the shit I do is in proceed to myself


Sum of my points, you're ignorant and have a horribly self centered attitude.

idiot, by saying that you shouldn't have a problem donating your lifes assets to a random african child right? self proclaimed victory is not much of a victory. im not ignorant, i acknowledge the problems of the world, not doing something actively about them through my day-to-day life isn't being ignorant.

[mikemhz]

I'm fine with keeping to yourself if your life is great. Why not? We all want a perfect life, right?

But if you're going to be uninvolved, stay uninvolved. Don't trash talk things you don't have an informed opinion about. It makes you look idiotic, angers those more conscientious and empathic than yourself, and encourages irrational fear and hatred in people who would otherwise be indifferent... and that affects everyone, maybe even you too somewhere down the line.

But you don't care, so I'm done with you. Plus, "Canada's immaculate democratic system" is a joke because there is no such thing.

EDIT: Russia isn't communist. The USSR fell... in the 80s.

[Gotta]

Sorry for being an ass hole, I don't mean to come off that way.

Here is what I am really meaning to say.


not doing something actively about them through my day-to-day life isn't being ignorant.
You're right at this point, but.


im here and frankly i love it where I am. i dont see why i have to take in consideration people who ive never met or know and affect my well-being for pointless reasons.

This is the ignorance I was talking about, it's not really your fault for having this mentality, it's societies. As you stated you are getting an education, have a steady job, and enjoy your free time playing games. Awesome. Be greatful for that, but you're living in a bubble where you aren't seeing the reality of the world. Outside of your perfect little bubble there are much greater problems, I think you could do more then just acknowledging it, the fact that you show no respect towards the problems other people are plagued with(it's not their choice) is a sign of your ignorance. I wasn't telling or asking you to give anything to anybody, but at least realize that your reality is different from the actual reality of the world.

I understand that not everyone may have had the opportunities that I have had, being that I traveled the world for two years and was able to work with different organizations, so you base your ideas of off what you have heard and read, where I base mine off of what I have seen and experienced.

I can't pin the blame on you alone, it's societies fault. Maybe when you are older you will get to travel somewhere that is more enlightening then the city I assume you live in, I can assure you that your attitude will be different.

Also, I'm don't think less of anybody for putting themselves before others, that human instinct. I'm not planning on devoting my life to making the world better. Just like most people, I want to further my education and lead a successful life. But I still do what I can to make positive change. Ya feel me?

Once again, sorry for the douchebaggery, I'm just angry at the world.

[mikemhz]

I was thinking about what drives me to support positive change in society and politics... It's the desire for and appreciation of beauty. I don't like being confronted by crackheads whenever I go to Elephant & Castle market (literally no joke, some crack whore even puked up some dutty brown liquid right in front of me once). I don't like hearing about how contracted construction workers are shipped to Dubai, are enslaved by debt and live in worker slums, sending all their money home to their family, but not having enough to get out and go home. I don't like how 'President' Mugabe has completely fucked his beautiful, fertile, prosperous nation for his own comfort and pleasure... then blames white people (probably because he was raped as a child by some racist white farmer, or something). Shit like that makes me sad and angry... and I don't like being sad or angry. Do you?

How would you feel if you saw a woman getting beaten up in the street? Would you suddenly care then? What about an old man? Would you simply 'acknowledge' something like that happening in front of your eyes? Probably not, I guess.

I like laughing and being amazed by things. So I do what I can to make sure there's more of that in the world. Yeah it's basically selfish at a biological level. It's all about ego. I think your ego thinks you're a badass for saying 'I don't give a fuck' like Eminem or something. Unfortunately this is a problem we have in society which stems from a number of things including the male 'unemotional' stereotype, the 'fuck society' [anarchy] ethos of the punk era and our increasing estrangement from each other due to the solitude and anonymity of the internet.

[gregggggg]

As nice as a society like that sounds, it will be near impossible to make the transition fully to it. We're probably not going to even start moving towards it, at least while fossil fuels are still plentiful (which they are). And even if we did start, we wouldn't finish; leaving us with a deformed society and we'd probably be in some trouble.

that's what I thought at first. I quite literally asked myself "if people barely can switch from one video game to another like cspromod, then how the hell is this ever going to work?". then i thought of using the gold standard as a way to transition. heres what i wrote on the facebook page of the venus project:


I was thinking to myself to what are some possible ways of transitioning from our current monetary system to a "beta" version of the Venus Project. I thought "Why not just use the gold standard to help the transition?" Surely people aren't going to just say "Hey, this sounds fantastic! Let's start the Project tomorrow!" There will be a need for a weening process to switch from each system.

Anyone with a half brain knows that the Fed and the central banks will inevitably fail, and when they do, it will be a chance for the economy to finally go back to the Gold Standard and build a temporary means of a system (the quickest way in doing this would be electing Ron Paul for president). Once this stability is in place, then it would be a good opportunity to start a transition phase into the Venus Project.

However, a problem I see with this is people tend not to fix things when things aren't broke. The Gold Standard COULD give a false sense of perfection, and people could simply not have the desire to switch. People might get lazy and think "well we have came this far, let's just take a break" and let the entire The Venus Project concept brush aside for later generations.

One thing I know for sure, however, is that jumping from a pure corrupt system to a new, never-done-before concept such as The Venus Project, is just quite frankly too big of a jump. If it is too big of a jump from the Gold Standard Monetary System, then it is surely too big of a jump from the "elastic money" Monetary System.

Unless something horrendous happens to where it transforms every country into such widespread hopelessness that they will branch out to extreme, radical ideas, such as the The Venus Project, will only then get serious attention, consideration, and use. It could be the "savior" of an upcoming tragedy of the ages. Similar to Germany after WW1 and the rise of Hitler, but of course in the complete opposite direction and to unleash human potential not kill it (quite literally). However the same principal applies. I bet you this is exactly what the goons of the Global Elite planned to do with the New World Order (but I'm just speculating). Radical change is caused by radical events, and without some radical event, I do not see a way The Venus Project will transition without the Gold Standard, or some other means of a transitionary step.

watchu think

[mikemhz]

I'm a bit of a bunce when it comes to economics so I can't really say how we would transition. But yeah you seem to have the right idea. Every time there is a market crash or war or whatever, people start looking for alternatives. Yet it's quite sadistic to think "oh we're going to war? great! venus project time!"

Anyway... this is what informed me about the project:
Youtub playlist, 8 parts
Zeitgeist: Where Are We Now? (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6392E23695A02ADD)
Really very thorough and informative.

[gregggggg]

Watch Zeitgeist the Movie and Zeitgeist Annendum, both amazing movies that taught me all about the movement and whatnot.

[TheDonut]

Watch Zeitgeist the Movie and Zeitgeist Annendum, both amazing movies that taught me all about the movement and whatnot.

Watched both of those and they completely changed my view on life and society. They are moving in every way possible. If anyone has not seen them, check them out. Its worth the time.

[gregggggg]

See I even went into the movie with skepticism and a general "lets see what this propaganda ridden film can show me".

I was surprised that all this stuff is backed up with pure facts, not just speculation. Really surprising... and depressing really.

[ephraim]

Wow. I can't belive you're all talking about the Venus Project and politics over here. Looks like a good place for me, lol.

But anyway, I don't think it's quite possible right now, given the fact that the world population is practically (but not obviously enough for the human eye), enslaved, while the power is in the hands of few individuals.
It's been twenty years since my country (Romania) escaped communism, yet nothing actually changed. And that's actually the whole point. There is no change -- there are alot of people around here that simply can't comprehend what propaganda actually means, and they got scared of how many people gone dead during the revolution that took place in 1989. You vote hoping for change. Heh. That's fucking nice. Well there is no change since every country leader is following the same agenda as his predecessor. In fact there is a change -- from a free man, you become a modern day slave and you're forced to work until you blow your brains out. Is that what you want ?
And things really aren't the way you want them to be. It's actually corporations that control everything, in every industry. From labels like Interscope, currently owned by Universal (what a coincidence...NOT), to brands like Nike. Mostly everything that sells ALOT is owned by a corporation. PRO GAMERS are owned by corporations, signed under a contract. They don't do shit other than play and get money. They get used to it. It becomes a bigger addiction than that of a normal gamer which spends 12h a day on his computer playing games. That's because they don't play for fun, they play for the money. It's the type of manipulation they promoted which was developed in the MK-Ultra program by the CIA and FBI.
Wanna know something else ? Have you heard of subliminal messages ? There's alot of them on TV and in the mainstream music nowadays. It started from the Beatles, it extended further in time and it's been quite used by some artists/bands. What I'm trying to tell you that the way you behaved in that earlier post is the way they want you to think. Yeah, good for you, you're living up well. But that doesn't mean 3rd world populations should starve to death just because you're feeling fine. If you've got something to say regarding my post, I'd suggest you'd rather read alot, inform yourself, DO RESEARCH MOST OF ALL, and stop being a follower, instead of ranting about how good you're living. Not everybody is supposed to listen to you. You voiced your opinion, I respect you for that, but don't expect it to be approved to the fullest extent by absolutely everyone on this forum.

If there's anyone that's gonna hate me for this post, okay then, talk with the devteam and tell them to ban me. I ain't mad at you. Simple as that. But keep in mind that instead of considering yourself uber 1337, you should try to elevate yourself, and change for the better, because simply acting like a 5yo child will do nothing but make things worse for you. And trust me on that, I know alot of people that think like you right know regarding this subject. It's usually best if you maintain the silence if you have a bad opinion about something, cause alot of people tend to become aggressive and get into internet fights quicker than if they'd be fighting on the fucking streets. So... feel free to reply, say what you have to say, and after all, that's it.